I never made any comment comparing Bautista to Castro -IMO, they're both rotten POSs. All that happened when Castro took over was that the Cuban people swapped one oppressor for another. Some people's lives were improved, some were made worse. You've chosen to only look at those who's lives were improved, ignoring the waves of people fleeing the oppression of the Castro regime.

Where's that liberal ideal of fighting against oppression???
When did supporting a totalitarian regime suddenly become acceptable??

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Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

Bay of Pigs, Deux? Nah, Forget it. We have another Democrat at the helm.

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"“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.”-- Richard Henry Lee

Yes yes... blame Democrats...

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

Their record speaks for itself.

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"No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem."
-Booker T Washington

"“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.”-- Richard Henry Lee

Funny, the record is clear. Democrats have always been more successful wartime Presidents than Republicans.

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The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.

-- Hitler, April 11 1942

[quote]I would suggest that just because minorcan soldiers may have fought there I should know no more about it than you should solely based on the fact black soldiers fought there. Plenty of fresh immigrants, cowboys, African Americans and guys in need of work fought there. The college boys came latter for some glory. So what! it was Teddy Roosevelt? Most leaders are ego centric. They have to believe in themselves enough to lead others. Yes it was to protect our interests and all those places would be--some still are--better under our control than like I said with their ass hanging in the wind to be flucked by little Hitlers like your beloved Castro.
I was drawn to it when a friend asked me to look up his grandfather's ancestry and I found his name listed among the conscriptions.

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You guys don't get it. Seriously, you do not get it.

What you demonstrate is the conservative inability to honestly deal with politics, the world, or even with life. Conservative ideology REQUIRES that. Truth and evidence have no place in conservative thought. Introspective is only viewed through Snow White's mirror that can only tell you how beautiful you are.

This is a message board full of right-wingers .. yet, armed with all the programming Fox News and talk radio has provided them with, they and you, only demonstrate that you don't have the ability to deal honestly with truth and evidence. Your programming short circuits the path to logic .. and you think that's called "patriotism."

Does history have a place in your thinking?

Do you know what the Cuban people have a long history of? Rebellion and revolution. When the Cuban people feel under attack and oppressed, they rise up in revolution. Cuba has a fascinating history.

Question: How many revolutions has Castro had to put down? How many times has the CIA been behind it? If your dodge is that he's more brutal than anyone else .. then you should study Cuban history. Because that would mean that you don't know it.

If Cubans feel as oppressed by Castro and they did with Batista, they would rise up and get rid of him.

How about this history?

"I believe that there is no country in the world including any and all the countries under colonial domination, where economic colonization, humiliation and exploitation were worse than in Cuba, in part owing to my country’s policies during the Batista regime. I approved the proclamation which Fidel Castro made in the Sierra Maestra, when he justifiably called for justice and especially yearned to rid Cuba of corruption. I will even go further: to some extent it is as though Batista was the incarnation of a number of sins on the part of the United States. Now we shall have to pay for those sins. In the matter of the Batista regime, I am in agreement with the first Cuban revolutionaries. That is perfectly clear." – President John F. Kennedy, interview with Jean Daniel, October 24, 1963

To suggest the the Cuban Revolution, led by Castro and Che' Guevara, was not exponentially beneficial to the Cuban people demonstrates the inability to grasp truth. Not one of you have made a dent in that truth. All you've done is dance around it.

By the way .. after the failed Bay of Pigs attempt, Kennedy was presented with a plan devised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by every member of the staff, including Adm. Lemnitzer, that was designed as a false flag that would lead to war against Cuba. The plan called shooting dead innocent Americans and Cubans throughout Florida, attacking designated military targets and killing soldiers, and for the hijacking of civilian airplanes and flying them into federal buidings. The plan was called "Operation Northwoods."

Kennedy rejected it.

Just a bit more history you may not know.

[quote=saltwn;266131]You missed the point .. which was that I've studied that history very closely. It doesn't matter to me who else fought there, I was searching for untold black history. It was the answer to your question.

I'm confused my friend. Since I've been reading your posts on this site I'd always considered you to have a sense of humanity and fair play. Not that I still don't, but I'm confused by such a supremist statement from you.

"Better under our control?"

That's deep .. and telling .. especially considering that the Cuban people are far better off than they were when America was hovering over them.

Yet you have not demonstrated how the Cuban Revolution was not the right course for Cuba. You haven't done that because you can't.

"Better under our control?"

That's deep.

Are people risking their lives to get to Cuba on homemade rafts? Ever spoken to an expatriot cuban with family living in that ****hole?

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"No race can prosper till it learns that there is as much dignity in tilling a field as in writing a poem."
-Booker T Washington

"“A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms.”-- Richard Henry Lee