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Old 03-06-2011, 12:17 AM
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Default Re: Agent: I was ordered to let U.S. guns into Mexico

The fact is Mexico is becoming a huge problem and the federal government is doing nothing about the situation. So all of you Obama water carriers may want to just take a moment and look at who heads the feds here. No Bush didn't do any better but he's not in charge now.
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Old 03-06-2011, 12:58 AM
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What we are talking about here is a failure of foreign policy. I don't understand why every issue has to be attacked/defended on a partisian basis. Did the Bush administration screw up? Yeah, I'd say pre-emptively invading and occupying a foreign country based on lies and deceit is a pretty big screw up. Did the Obama administration screw up by pulling a secret sting on a Mexican cartel without letting the Mexican authorities know what was up a pretty big screw up? Yeah, I'd say it was.

I'd be a lot more comfortable with people discussing issues rather than trying to throw partisian stones at each other. My take is that all partisian hacks are just that. They study the party platform and ideology without bothering to look at the real world implications of the mantras they parrot. Bush did absolutely nothing in his 8 years in office to resolve the border problems, and Obama hasn't done anything different.

Allowing huge shipments of arms into Mexico just to discover where they are going... duh, they are going to drug cartels, obviously... is a vital foreign relations faux pax. So is invading a country because it has non-existent WMD's.

Quit focusing on party politics, please, and start discussing foreign policies that are in the best interest of the USA itself, not the GOP or Democratic parties.

Gawk, partisian pissing matches make my teeth ache.
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Old 03-06-2011, 01:30 AM
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You could administer the coup de grâce by reminding OftenCold of exactly how much "stimulus" money Bush approved...
Oh. Yes. He did!

But of course, blame falls blindly to Obama.
Not Bush...
Calm yourself before you have a stroke! I will blame Bush too, if that makes you calmer.

I have little problem with that. It's like blaming your five pound cat and your 90 pound Rottweiler equally or your per food costs, but there it is.

Bush, was in many ways, many of the things a Republican, much less a Conservative should never be.

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Old 03-06-2011, 01:38 AM
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Calm yourself before you have a stroke!
Oh sweetie...
Your hypocritical actions do not have any bearing on my health.

So you can stop with the fake worry.
No problems here...


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I will blame Bush too, if that makes you calmer.
That's funny.
Just a little while ago it was "The Administration does not control the economy. See "Free Market."" when talking about Bush.

My how quickly that worm turned...


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I have little problem with that. It's like blaming your five pound cat and your 90 pound Rottweiler equally or your per food costs, but there it is.
ROFLMAO!
You can't help but want to dig your own grave on this issue...

Would you like to get a summary of the cost of the "stimulus" legislation that Bush approved?
Your "five pound cat" analogy is woefully short on facts.

But that's the way things are when Repubs try to lash out at Obama while insisting that Bush doesn't have much on him...
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Would you like to get a summary of the cost of the "stimulus" legislation that Bush approved?
Your "five pound cat" analogy is woefully short on facts.
Short on facts?...

Here's one for you...

Bush didn't approve the stimulus package...Obama signed that in February of 2009...AFTER Bush was gone...

What you're speaking of is TARP...which were loans...

I have been VEHEMENTLY against the bailouts from the beginning, too, so don't go that route...

Hmmm...The Left got us to talk about Bush in a thread about guns currently going to Mexico with supervision from Obama's Executive Branch departments...

Distraction successful...
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Short on facts?...
No.


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Here's one for you...
Bush didn't approve the stimulus package...Obama signed that in February of 2009...AFTER Bush was gone...
Mmm.
Okay...
I never disputed that Obama signed approval for stimulus package.


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What you're speaking of is TARP...which were loans...
Loans? Yes.
But still would violate OftenCold's commentary on *government's role* in economics...

So my point is still relevant, despite your pointless distraction.


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I have been VEHEMENTLY against the bailouts from the beginning, too, so don't go that route...
Considering I was talking to Oftencold, I am baffled as to why you would be concerned I would "go that route" regarding your opinion.

If you want me to admit that some Republicans are consistent? I'll happily do so.
Hopefully you aren't trying to provide a distraction by pointing to Repubs who were consistent to avoid my point that there are a LOT of Repubs who are blatantly hypocritical.


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Hmmm...The Left got us to talk about Bush in a thread about guns currently going to Mexico with supervision from Obama's Executive Branch departments...
Distraction successful...
Actually, the point was about some on the right's hypocrisy in attacking Obama.
Bush was just the EXAMPLE proving that hypocrisy.

Your response is an attempted distraction from that point.
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Short on facts?...

Here's one for you...

Bush didn't approve the stimulus package...Obama signed that in February of 2009...AFTER Bush was gone...

What you're speaking of is TARP...which were loans...

I have been VEHEMENTLY against the bailouts from the beginning, too, so don't go that route...

Hmmm...The Left got us to talk about Bush in a thread about guns currently going to Mexico with supervision from Obama's Executive Branch departments...

Distraction successful...
Because we have a history of the right trading arms for hostages but the right in this thread hope to find Obama copable.
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I haven't...

But IF (and I said "IF") Obama protects and defends the acussed, is found to have appointed those who've made this decision, or is complicitly silent in the matter, I WILL place blame as another example of a rudderless ship...

Both in his comments about Libya and his co-press conference with Mexican presidnt Calderone this week, Obama was SPECIFIC in pointing out his defense and protection of the American citizen...

If he does NOT attempt to get to the bottom of this and blows it off, it will show his words as empty...

An American is dead because of a project that was undertaken by a department that is part of the Executive Branch...

The buck is supposed to stop somewhere...
If history is repeated in Obama's case, that buck will stop where it usually does, with Bush.
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