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Who's defending him?

As the POTUS, he will of course have the ultimate responsibility.

If anyone really thinks that the decision goes all the way to him, they are simply showing their continued pettiness in trying to blame Obama for everything.

By the way, did you personally blame Bush for everything that happened under his watch?

I'll bet not.
But everything that happened on his watch was more or less his responsibility, yes?
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I also doubt that the person making the call to do it, goes outside the ATF.
And you base this conclusion on . . .?

NEWSFLASH: by engaging in an international operation (always assuming that this really happened), they've already exceeded the ATF's mandate. Either they are guilty of treason, or they believed they had permission from a higher authority, which mean the Treasury Department, or The Presidency.
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But everything that happened on his watch was more or less his responsibility, yes?
You tell me.
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And you base this conclusion on . . .?
My gut.

We'll see if I'm wrong.


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NEWSFLASH: by engaging in an international operation (always assuming that this really happened), they've already exceeded the ATF's mandate.
"Mandate" or authority?

Are you sure ATF doesn't have authority to investigate drug gangs on the border?


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Either they are guilty of treason, or they believed they had permission from a higher authority, which mean the Treasury Department, or The Presidency.
And you base this on what........?
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You tell me.
I shouldn't have to, but I will.

When you're at the top of the Administration, you share in all the responsibilities of the organization, with the possible and doubtful exception of those conducted outside your knowledge by persons behaving in a wholly criminal manner.
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I shouldn't have to, but I will.

When you're at the top of the Administration, you share in all the responsibilities of the organization, with the possible and doubtful exception of those conducted outside your knowledge by persons behaving in a wholly criminal manner.
So you're saying that the meltdown of our economy and the resultant Great Recession............ was actually all Bush's fault?

Gee, I think that's the first time I've actually heard a conservative admit to that.
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No. The Administration does not control the economy. See "Free Market."
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No. The Administration does not control the economy. See "Free Market."
Glad to hear that.

I'll expect all of you blindly allegiant conservatives, to shut up about the unemployment rate being Obama's fault then.


PS. You're dead wrong anyway. An administrations policies on enforcement and who they choose to run specific agencies, can have a huge impact on the economy.



Ya know, a thought just occurred to me.

Since you live where it doesn't get much colder than Seattle anyway, maybe you should change your stage name to...... "Oftenwrong."




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Glad to hear that.

I'll expect all of you blindly allegiant conservatives, to shut up about the unemployment rate being Obama's fault then.
Ah, but you see, Obama has unwisely meddled with the economy, and encouraged the Congress under the control of the Party that he's the nominal head of to siphon off hundreds of billions of dollars for graft ("stimuls.") Her didn't control the economy, he damaged it by design or ineptitude or both. To illustrate, I don't know how to fly a plane, but I'm confident that I could crash one.

Further his regulatory bungling, instead seeking to not impede the economy, advanced the Governments role as an obstruction and parasite.

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Glad to hear that.
PS. You're dead wrong anyway. An administrations policies on enforcement and who they choose to run specific agencies, can have a huge impact on the economy.
But that is extra-governmental, and a effects of appointee's, but out of an appraisal of how much or how illte Madge they will do to their betters in the Private Sector.

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Ya know, a thought just occurred to me.
There's a first time for everything.
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Ah, but you see, Obama has unwisely meddled with the economy, and encouraged the Congress under the control of the Party that he's the nominal head of to siphon off hundreds of billions of dollars for graft ("stimuls.") Her didn't control the economy, he damaged it by design or ineptitude or both. To illustrate, I don't know how to fly a plane, but I'm confident that I could crash one.

Further his regulatory bungling, instead seeking to not impede the economy, advanced the Governments role as an obstruction and parasite.
Thank you.

You have just proved once again, that the right cannot use the same criteria to judge themselves...as they use to judge the left.

Which, of course.....the left also does.


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But that is extra-governmental, and a effects of appointee's, but out of an appraisal of how much or how illte Madge they will do to their betters in the Private Sector.
Sorry, but I didn't understand that statement at all.


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