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Nor am I. I wasn't in favor of it in Darfur, but the rest of the world didn't much care. I wasn't in favor of it in Ivory Coast, but there has been much international hand-wringing with little else to show for it. I wasn't in favor of it in Rwanda, or Somalia, or any of the other no-oil countries that have made a habit of slaughtering their own... but neither NATO nor the UN have given much attention to any of these civil wars.

If Europe, via NATO, or the UN wants to accept the consequence of intervening in a Libyan civil war, then let NATO vote to do so. Then the USA will do the dirty work, as usual. If the international community is so cowardly that it is not willing even to vote for legal language interceding on a global basis, then quite frankly that tells me that they want us to do it all without their blessing so that they can turn around and scream "murderers!" when we end up killing Libyan civilians with our unilateral interference.

Either the Euro-pussies belly up to the bar and accept consequences, or the USA should just wait it out and let the Libyans themselves resolve their political conflict.

America is NOT the planet's international whipping boy. NATO needs to put on its big girl panties, and make a freaking decision where they stand.
NATO is voting to take action.
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The USA should not move unilaterally on this. I'm sick of us being the world's policeman, where other countries just look to us to mop up messes around the world while they sit back and criticize our militaristic savagery.

If NATO agrees that a no-fly zone is required, then let NATO countries contribute some of their own military resources to assist in the effort. Otherwise, the USA should stay out of the fray and let the chips fall where they may.

The USA is always in a no-win situation when this kind of unrest breaks out. It's always "why didn't they help them more" versus "how come they interferred once again in a sovereign's internal affairs"... in other words, a lose-lose situation for the USA and only the USA, while Europe sits and grins and does what it always does... nothing.
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I'm not convinced that going alone IS the right thing to do. Yes, in my heart I wish the USA would bomb Kadaffi into dust, but in doing so we would slaughter tens of thousands of innocent Tripoli civilians. The Libyan rebels do not want us involved. How then can we justify interferring in what is clearly a Libyan civil war when neither side wants us to be involved?

We should remain close, within striking distance, but we should not force our own wishes upon a chaotic populace when neither side has expressed a desire for our "assistance".

The USA must not make military decisions based upon what might be best for America, and instead must make military decisions based upon what is best for what individual countries are fighting for within their own borders.

We cannot continue to be NATO's policeman and its whipping boy at the same time. At some point, we must insist that Europe fulfills its responsibilities or ignores them, and reaps the consequence of doing either.
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Nor am I. I wasn't in favor of it in Darfur, but the rest of the world didn't much care. I wasn't in favor of it in Ivory Coast, but there has been much international hand-wringing with little else to show for it. I wasn't in favor of it in Rwanda, or Somalia, or any of the other no-oil countries that have made a habit of slaughtering their own... but neither NATO nor the UN have given much attention to any of these civil wars.

If Europe, via NATO, or the UN wants to accept the consequence of intervening in a Libyan civil war, then let NATO vote to do so. Then the USA will do the dirty work, as usual. If the international community is so cowardly that it is not willing even to vote for legal language interceding on a global basis, then quite frankly that tells me that they want us to do it all without their blessing so that they can turn around and scream "murderers!" when we end up killing Libyan civilians with our unilateral interference.

Either the Euro-pussies belly up to the bar and accept consequences, or the USA should just wait it out and let the Libyans themselves resolve their political conflict.

America is NOT the planet's international whipping boy. NATO needs to put on its big girl panties, and make a freaking decision where they stand.

You forgot something...again
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You forgot something...again
That's three times you've said that. Are you trying to be cute or coy? I'd prefer an honest response to a gaggle of non-responsivive drive-by posts. What exactly are you trying to say to me?
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That's three times you've said that. Are you trying to be cute or coy? I'd prefer an honest response to a gaggle of non-responsivive drive-by posts. What exactly are you trying to say to me?
Simply that you forgot... or choose to forget.... that 'Europe' has played a part ...a large part...and that USA is not as alone as you imply.
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