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The House on Thursday approved a 2.2% pay raise for Congress — slightly less than average wage increases in private business but enough to boost lawmakers' annual salaries to about $158,000 next year.

The House members decided to allow themselves a fifth straight cost-of-living raise after rejecting them for several years during the 1990s. Their annual pay has risen from $136,700 in 1999 to about $158,000 in 2004, if the legislation clears Congress and is signed by the president. Their salary this year is $154,700.

As in past years, the congressional COLA was automatically included as part of pay increases that all federal civilian and military employees will receive. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, wages among all nongovernment workers rose an average 2.7% from July 2002 through June 2003.

Both the House and Senate, ignoring a White House recommendation that civilian pay raises be held down next year, have decided on 4.1% raises for almost all federal workers.

The pay increases are part of an $89.3 billion spending bill for the 2004 budget year for Transportation and Treasury Department programs. A vote on the spending bill was expected late Thursday. The spending bill has yet to reach the Senate floor.

Only one House member — Rep. Jim Matheson, D-Utah — voiced objections to the congressional increase during the debate.

"We are fighting terrorism on numerous fronts and our economy is in serious trouble, unemployment is at record high levels and our future budget deficits are predicted to be the highest in the history of this great nation," Matheson said. "Now is not the time for members of Congress to be voting themselves a pay raise."

By a 240-173 vote, the House rejected Matheson's procedural attempt to get a direct vote on the pay raise for lawmakers. In 1989, Congress voted to make cost-of-living pay increases for themselves automatic unless they voted otherwise.

Without counting outside sources of income, the earnings of members of Congress rank within the top 5% of the nation.

Joan Claybrook, president of the consumer group Public Citizen, said lawmakers, as high-income earners, were already benefiting substantially from the administration-backed tax cuts that have been enacted. She said that while she didn't necessarily oppose cost-of-living increases for members of Congress, "I do think that to give tax breaks to the rich while giving themselves a pay raise is unfair."


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I couldn't help but notice this as it clicked across the ticker, in line with such news bits as: Stocks Drop...Crude Oil prices raise...
Does anyone in congress feel the irony?
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I couldn't help but notice this as it clicked across the ticker, in line with such news bits as: Stocks Drop...Crude Oil prices raise...
Does anyone in congress feel the irony?
Do they feel the irony?...yes...

Do they care?...No...
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They don't care now, didn't care before, and won't ever care. They give themselves these pay raises, while outsourcing is becoming the norm. This is the reason why people should vote for real change and put both the Dems and the GOP completely out of all of Washington, D.C.!
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They don't care now, didn't care before, and won't ever care. They give themselves these pay raises, while outsourcing is becoming the norm. This is the reason why people should vote for real change and put both the Dems and the GOP completely out of all of Washington, D.C.!
Yes, but every time we get close, the dems and the reps gang up on the poor guy. I'm thinking of Ross Perot here. Whether or not he was Mr Wonderful, his winning would have shaken things up a bit. But, alas, he was threatened by someone and bowed out. (Likely a wise personal decision on his part)
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Yes, but every time we get close, the dems and the reps gang up on the poor guy. I'm thinking of Ross Perot here. Whether or not he was Mr Wonderful, his winning would have shaken things up a bit. But, alas, he was threatened by someone and bowed out. (Likely a wise personal decision on his part)
And I voted for him, too...

Unfortunately, looking back, it's what got Clinton into the White House...

I've been apologizing since Clinton left office and I've seen the consequences of his actions (inactions)......
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And I voted for him, too...

Unfortunately, looking back, it's what got Clinton into the White House...

I've been apologizing since Clinton left office and I've seen the consequences of his actions (inactions)......
"what got Clinton into the White House" was not enough voters voting for Perot.


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"what got Clinton into the White House" was not enough voters voting for Perot."
Nobody wants to address what would happen if an In dependant were to receive more votes! Remember,the Electoral College makes the final decision and as some of us have known for years,the EC is far from friendly to 3rd party candidates.Lets say Ross received a simple majority,me thinks he still could not have won...
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"what got Clinton into the White House" was not enough voters voting for Perot.


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EXACTLY! If every body who 'thought' about voting Perot had instead of taking the 'safe way', he wud've been prez. My guess anyway. I voted for him the second time. By then it was too too late.
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Remember,the Electoral College makes the final decision
And that is as it should be. After all, it was the States that created the federal government, and it is their duty to select who the CEO of that corporation should be.
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Nobody wants to address what would happen if an In dependant were to receive more votes! Remember,the Electoral College makes the final decision and as some of us have known for years,the EC is far from friendly to 3rd party candidates.Lets say Ross received a simple majority,me thinks he still could not have won...
You mean to tell me that our Government is not really "by the people?"
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