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Old 11-12-2010, 09:49 AM
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The real fail of this trip was the excuse to make it in the first place.
No matter the cost it was a huge failure of leadership from the start.
Nothing he says or does is going to help us, but then it wasn't meant to anyway.

Going to India to help with American jobs...really? What kind of fool do you have to be to actually think that going to the country that is now manning our call centers because the labor is so cheap is going to push jobs our way? How in the hell does this even compute?

This trip wasn't for our benefit, it was for theirs and Obama's. More jobs to the US what a bunch of crap.

Obama want's to be the leader of the UN, this is his campaign to get that.
U.S. CEOs Lay Groundwork for Obama India Trip - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Read the article and see what many American CEO's are saying about the trip. They seem to like it and believe it will create huge job growth for the US. In fact, it already has. Here's snippet from the article.

One of the first economic accomplishments of the trip was the announcement that the U.S. has begun the sale of 10 Boeing C-17 military cargo planes to India. The deal, worth more than $5 billion, will mean 22,000 jobs in America — the planes are made in Long Beach, Calif., with parts coming from hundreds of suppliers across the country.

A few million dollars in expenses to create 5 billion dollars and 22,000 jobs. That math doesn't seem to fuzzy to me. Good for the prez.
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U.S. CEOs Lay Groundwork for Obama India Trip - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Read the article and see what many American CEO's are saying about the trip. They seem to like it and believe it will create huge job growth for the US. In fact, it already has. Here's snippet from the article.

One of the first economic accomplishments of the trip was the announcement that the U.S. has begun the sale of 10 Boeing C-17 military cargo planes to India. The deal, worth more than $5 billion, will mean 22,000 jobs in America — the planes are made in Long Beach, Calif., with parts coming from hundreds of suppliers across the country.

A few million dollars in expenses to create 5 billion dollars and 22,000 jobs. That math doesn't seem to fuzzy to me. Good for the prez.
Please don't let facts get in the way of a good story. We all know that it costs the taxpayers $57 Trillion for every minute that Obama is out of the country, I read it in the Somalian version of the "Enquirer". In fact, 307,000 aircraft careers are deployed to the waters off the coast of D.C. every time he goes for a stroll in the WH rose garden.
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Please don't let facts get in the way of a good story. We all know that it costs the taxpayers $57 Trillion for every minute that Obama is out of the country, I read it in the Somalian version of the "Enquirer". In fact, 307,000 aircraft careers are deployed to the waters off the coast of D.C. every time he goes for a stroll in the WH rose garden.
Dang it! I knew I should have cross referenced my research with the Somali press. Lesson learned.
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U.S. CEOs Lay Groundwork for Obama India Trip - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Read the article and see what many American CEO's are saying about the trip. They seem to like it and believe it will create huge job growth for the US. In fact, it already has. Here's snippet from the article.

One of the first economic accomplishments of the trip was the announcement that the U.S. has begun the sale of 10 Boeing C-17 military cargo planes to India. The deal, worth more than $5 billion, will mean 22,000 jobs in America — the planes are made in Long Beach, Calif., with parts coming from hundreds of suppliers across the country.

A few million dollars in expenses to create 5 billion dollars and 22,000 jobs. That math doesn't seem to fuzzy to me. Good for the prez.
Now research the job LOSES from this same agreement.........O thats right, the media will not report that this is a zero sum game.........possibly even a job LOSS game.........They love to tout the EXPORTS...........while forgetting about the NEGATIVE impacts of the IMPORTS.........
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U.S. CEOs Lay Groundwork for Obama India Trip - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Read the article and see what many American CEO's are saying about the trip. They seem to like it and believe it will create huge job growth for the US. In fact, it already has. Here's snippet from the article.

One of the first economic accomplishments of the trip was the announcement that the U.S. has begun the sale of 10 Boeing C-17 military cargo planes to India. The deal, worth more than $5 billion, will mean 22,000 jobs in America — the planes are made in Long Beach, Calif., with parts coming from hundreds of suppliers across the country.

A few million dollars in expenses to create 5 billion dollars and 22,000 jobs. That math doesn't seem to fuzzy to me. Good for the prez.
First of all linking this contract to Obama's trip is silly. This wasn't a sudden urge on India's part it has been in the works for a long time. Second is 22,000 going to out weigh the number of jobs going to India? No it won't.
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Now research the job LOSES from this same agreement.........O thats right, the media will not report that this is a zero sum game.........possibly even a job LOSS game.........They love to tout the EXPORTS...........while forgetting about the NEGATIVE impacts of the IMPORTS.........
Dang, should have read your post first.
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No, the reason the story spread is that people have no perspective when it comes to the number of digits in a value with a dollar sign in front of it.

If I'd said that it cost $54 billion each time that Bush traveled from the WH to Crawford, there would be enough ding bats in the left to make a federal case over my unsubstantiated claim. Too many people can't grasp the fact that a large number of zeros doesn't necessarily make a number outrageous, and don't know how to put things in perspective, compare them to similar situations, adjust for inflation, check where claims are coming from to even see if sources are valid, etc.

The trip is likely not costing more than $6 million a day, though we probably won't know for sure until it is over. And even though that number sounds large, it is not out of line with what Clinton (for sure) and likely Bush (though I'd like to see some numbers on a similar Bush trip) spent on their travel (adjusted for inflation of course).

It is a lot of money, but what makes the claim (not the trip) outrageous is that it is likely inflated by over 3,000 percent from the actual cost, AND right wing pundits and reporters who should have known better than to tout unsubstantiated rumor as fact, took an estimate made in an Indian newspaper, in an unsourced quote, and ran with it as if it had been published on the WH website. That's what is outrageous.
Your claim of $6 million per day rests on the assumption Obama's travel posse is in fact comparable to Clinton's and that the cost total for the "comparable" trip is accurate. Funniest thing Obama scheduled his trip to coincide with a "festival of lights" celebration so why should we expect he'd limit the guest list with such a reward to give? This is the same guy who thought nothing of jetting off to a Broadway show for date night at taxpayer expense. It's likely the $6 million per day doesn't include all the costs to the taxpayer as I outlined in an earlier comment.

The business about claims of multibillion dollar trips to Crawford being accepted as credible by an unthinking public is a straw man. No such claim was ever made nor were people objecting to the cost of the President traveling to his own ranch in the US.

Oh no, Progryssves and the media would never, ever publicize unsubstantiated rumors like "it's Bristol's baby" or "she had an affair with guy they owned a cabin with". Oh wait.
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