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Old 09-02-2010, 11:25 AM
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I don't support building a Mosque at GZ, I support the proposed community center project 2 blocks away.
Will they be holding religious services for non-Muslim members of the community? It is the exact Islamic equivalent to an Evangelical Mega-Church.

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It none of my business how the taxpayers money in NYC is used where a community center is concerned. If it were to be built in my community I would support the use of public funding only as a last resort if all other options were exhausted.
Would you likewise support public funding going towards Evangelical Mega-Churches?
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Old 09-02-2010, 12:46 PM
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Will they be holding religious services for non-Muslim members of the community? It is the exact Islamic equivalent to an Evangelical Mega-Church.



Would you likewise support public funding going towards Evangelical Mega-Churches?
I believe there is public funding involved in another church being rebuilt in that area - the Greek Orthodox Church.
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MAybe we should tax all churches. I am for that how about you guys?
I've been saying that for years.

And, yes, I say tax all political non-profits as well. The only thing that shouldn't be taxed are the charity's like St. Jude, and Jerry's kids. Those do an awful lot of good.
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I've been saying that for years.

And, yes, I say tax all political non-profits as well. The only thing that shouldn't be taxed are the charity's like St. Jude, and Jerry's kids. Those do an awful lot of good.
Screw "Jerry's Kids"!

After 20 years and $20 billion dollars all they have to show for that is a "new chair"?

Forget that!
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Will they be holding religious services for non-Muslim members of the community?
I can't imagine why a non-Muslim would want to pray to Allah. Religious services could fall under any host of definitions or qualifications, but it's my understanding that the prayer space will be utilized in the same manner as the prayer space currently located in the Pentagon, the other so-called mosque that's actually in a building that was struck by the same terrorist group who stuck the Twin Towers.

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It is the exact Islamic equivalent to an Evangelical Mega-Church.
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Would you likewise support public funding going towards Evangelical Mega-Churches?
If they meets the guidelines that this one has to if they pursue that option, yes, but that isn't even up to me because I'm a long way from New York. That's for them to decide.
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Just religious based
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Yep, that's right, I said "bigot" because that is exactly what you are. You are a bigot. Why should one non-profit be treated any differently than any other??
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I've been saying that for years.

And, yes, I say tax all political non-profits as well. The only thing that shouldn't be taxed are the charity's like St. Jude, and Jerry's kids. Those do an awful lot of good.
What about our local churches food bank which feeds a couple dozen families every month? Or our "Heart Fund" which we tryto maintain at a weekly balance of $0 (the money goes out as fast as it comes in) that's used to help those in immediate need? Or another church in my town which provides emergency relief assisitance to people who need it? Does our smaller scale mean that we are less worthy than a big org. like Jerry's Kids??
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I can't imagine why a non-Muslim would want to pray to Allah.
They wouldn't which is why it is a Mosque and not a community center.

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Religious services could fall under any host of definitions or qualifications, but it's my understanding that the prayer space will be utilized in the same manner as the prayer space currently located in the Pentagon, the other so-called mosque that's actually in a building that was struck by the same terrorist group who stuck the Twin Towers.
Well your understanding is completely wrong, they will be offering actual Islamic prayer services the same as any Mosque and not the same as non-denominational prayer rooms. They are only offering religious services to Muslims and not to non-Muslim members of the community which is why it is a Mega-Mosque the same as an Evangelical Mega-Church regardless of the obfuscation and spin you people want to put on it, it is a Mosque and in no way a community center.

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Exact equivalent? Care to explain?
Exact equivalent as in exactly the same in every way save one is for Evangelicals and the other is for Muslims.

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If they meets the guidelines that this one has to if they pursue that option, yes, but that isn't even up to me because I'm a long way from New York. That's for them to decide.
So then you don't support the separation of church and state, understood.
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I believe there is public funding involved in another church being rebuilt in that area - the Greek Orthodox Church.
Not only are you wrong but you are blatantly wrong, not only is the Greek Orthodox Church not being funded by tax payer dollars but the state has refused the land swap agreement so the Greek Orthodox Church is not even being built to begin with.
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Yep, that's right, I said "bigot" because that is exactly what you are. You are a bigot. Why should one non-profit be treated any differently than any other??
Because government should not be in the business of promoting any religious business. It's not being bigoted it's just being nuetral on religion. Also, I am not anti religion. I think churches raise money to do this specific thing (or atleast that is what they are supposed to do) But government should be hands off entirely on religion otherwise they are in the business of religion. So I'm not a bigot just careful when it comes to church and state issues. Don't get so confused. It is just cleaner and clearer that way IMHO
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