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Provided Constitutional rights aren't violated in the enforcement of the law requiring obedience to other laws.

Yes, I know, that wasn't a complete sentence, so it must not be true.
That's right. Only complete sentences, when posted on the internet, are true.

If you are in this country illegally, thus a criminal, are Constitutional rights violated?
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Old 07-28-2010, 05:11 PM
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She issued no illegal order a law was legally passed in the Senate and she signed the bill.

I would really like to see Eric Holder haul Jan Brewer off to jail, you's see such a backlash in this country it would make your head spin!
You got that right........


Maybe that's the piece of this puzzle that has been missing........


Hmmm........
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And it's amusing how folks' feelings about the law can turn them into self-anointed Constitutional scholars!
On both sides.
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Are you moderating me or are you speaking as a "regular" member?

I don't need to chill out. You were being a smartass. It doesn't really look good for a mod to behave in such way so I see why you are now trying to backpedal and make it seem as if you weren't being a smartass.

If you weren't being a smartass then perhaps you should be more careful as to how you come off. Especially as a mod.
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Spencer is not moderating you, I am. If he was moderating you, you would know it by it being offset with [Moderator Mode].

He wasn't being a smart ass, he asked you a legitimate question and YOU took it to the next level. Personal attacks against members will not be tolerated. Mods are regular posters as well and would rather NOT take action on every little thing. Indeed even individual Mods make mistakes. All the time.

Instead of trying to attack a person for something posted as a poster instead of a Mod (again, denote the offsets) then making negative references about their moderation abilities, perhaps you should let it go or report it to the moderating TEAM if you feel it is egregious. This has gone far enough. Knock it off...

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I didn't mean to crank your tractor - I just wanted to make sure you understood that it shouldn't always seem a stretch to say that a law requiring other laws to be obeyed can be illegal - in other words, I was disagreeing with your general statement.
So, you can't describe how this law violates anyone's Constitutional Rights?
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Spencer is not moderating you, I am. If he was moderating you, you would know it by it being offset with [Moderator Mode].

He wasn't being a smart ass, he asked you a legitimate question and YOU took it to the next level. Personal attacks against members will not be tolerated. Mods are regular posters as well and would rather NOT take action on every little thing. Indeed even individual Mods make mistakes. All the time.

Instead of trying to attack a person for something posted as a poster instead of a Mod (again, denote the offsets) then making negative references about their moderation abilities, perhaps you should let it go or report it to the moderating TEAM if you feel it is egregious. This has gone far enough. Knock it off...

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This was unexpected?...
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Nope. Are we not allowed to discuss the "expected" here?
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Why so combative? I just made a comment and it was not directed specifically at you.I expected this injunction that's all.
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Asking a question is now combative? Okay, if you say so.

So, let's see... if you post something that is expected you get a smartass response. Then when you ask a question to clarify you are combative. I see.

If you expected it then your response could have said that instead of coming off like a smartass. Just sayin', Mr Mod.
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You need to chill out,I simply said that this was not expected? and you say I made a (smartass) response?!?!?


Really? I took it to the next level? Bwahahahaha!!! He posed his response in a smartass way. Read it again without being biased.
I wasn't in the least combative. I asked a simple question. Calling me combative was an attack, in my opinion. Then telling me to chill out (in bold even) was another form of "attack." I have done nothing wrong that needed chilling out. He, on the other hand, well, I've already stated my case.

All I need is an apology. lol

I'm done.
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Really? I took it to the next level? Bwahahahaha!!! He posed his response in a smartass way. Read it again without being biased.
I wasn't in the least combative. I asked a simple question. Calling me combative was an attack, in my opinion. Then telling me to chill out (in bold even) was another form of "attack." I have done nothing wrong that needed chilling out. He, on the other hand, well, I've already stated my case.

All I need is an apology. lol

I'm done.
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I told you to knock it off. I've read it several times and still come to the conclusion that YOU were being the smartass in your second post.

As I read it...

Pink: Judge blocks part of AZ law.
Spence: Are you surprised?
Pink: No, not surprised. What, I can't post about this?
Spence: Woah. I just asked if anyone was actually surprised. I wasn't.
Pink: I'm going to get mad because I was being snarky and couldn't pass it off on Spence. I am going to prove this because I am going to attack him as a Mod to make him look bad.
Spence: Woah, calm down. Quit being snarky. I just asked if you were surprised.
Pink: (AFTER SPENCE EXPLAINED HIMSELF) I'm going to make another assault or two on Spence and refer to his modship and try to make him look bad.

Dabateman: CUT IT OUT

Pink: Continues argument...

NOW, cut it out or risk administrative vacation for both insulting a fellow poster and continuing to be a problem after being warned by a mod. It cannot be more clear.
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Are you moderating me or are you speaking as a "regular" member?
If I were speaking to you as Mod you would see Moderation Mode and you know it...you've been around the boards long enough..

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I don't need to chill out. You were being a smartass. It doesn't really look good for a mod to behave in such way so I see why you are now trying to backpedal and make it seem as if you weren't being a smartass.
That's the way you interpret it but that was not my intention. I simply noted that the challenge was not unexpected and it was a (general) comment.I don't have to "back-peddle" on anything but you need to chill out.

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If you weren't being a smartass then perhaps you should be more careful as to how you come off. Especially as a mod.
Mods here are free to debate freely as members,we don't always have our mod hats on at all times and you know it. More careful ?!?!?...I simply said that this was not unexpected...you decided to insult me and disrespect me and call me a smartass and as a "Mod" I took no action..

Stop with the insults and drama or I WILL put my mod hat on...understood?

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Which is why the Arizona Law was so carefully crafted. I have been required to supply my Birth Certificate, proof of Residence, even proof of my Selective Service registration many times over the years with nary a peep from anyone that this in some way violated anyone's rights.

Don't we all have to prove our Citizenship or legal residents' status when we apply for jobs already?

Opposition to this law by the Federal Government appears to be an illegal power grab.

As I said elsewhere, a proper response would be for the States to cease enforcing any and all Federal Laws, on the grounds that they are concerned about the legality of doing so.
I still don't see much in the way of reason here for the administration to take on Az in this instance.
I guess the part about "checking status"
but it sounds lame to me. The admin may win but at what cost?
Meanwhile neither side is talking about the damned employers.
Why-the-hell-do-these-people-come-here-illegally-anyway???!!


(And don't anybody dare say for flucking "welfare"
They come here for jobs. )

Put about a 100 thousand dollar per person for second or even third offense of an employer. it's GAME OVER.
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I still don't see much in the way of reason here for the administration to take on Az in this instance.
I guess the part about "checking status"
but it sounds lame to me. The admin may win but at what cost?
Meanwhile neither side is talking about the damned employers.
Why-the-hell-do-these-people-come-here-illegally-anyway???!!


(And don't anybody dare say for flucking "welfare"
They come here for jobs. )

Put about a 100 thousand dollar per person for second or even third offense of an employer. it's GAME OVER.
They are taking on AZ for Hispanic votes. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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