They don't want any. That's the point

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By your logic, I can say it's the Dems. who are blocking reform. The Reps. had a proposal, but the Dems. blocked it. Damned Democrats, stopping this important legislation.

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Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

What do you think should be done. Give me the top five things that will stop these things from happening and tell me who supports which. For me "Too big to fail" is a real problem. AT&T was an example of such a thing. They were broken up without a major failure and it seemed to work out fine. There should be limits.
Phil Graham is responsable for much of our current problems because of the repeal of Glass/Steagall
Here read this
Glass?Steagall Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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No, there shouldn't limits outside of making what the CC cos. are doing very clear to the consumer. I 100% favor making consumer debt EXTREMELY expensive. In fact, I'd love to see a minimum CC rate of 25% APR. Doing so would discourage borrowing, encourage saving and do more to pull us out of hole we're in than all the "borrowing and spending" this bill is trying to stimulate could ever do. People need to understand that borrowing is BAD, unless is it to acquire assets who's value increases faster than the debt that's been acquired (such as buying a home). We just spent the last few decades borrowing ourselves into a massive hole and now Congress wnats to make it even easier to dig that hole deeper. That's NOT reform, that's enabling bad behavior.

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Our nation has not always lived up to its ideals, yet those ideals have never ceased to guide us. They expose our flaws, and lead us to mend them. We are the beneficiaries of the work of the generations before us and it is each generation's responsibility to continue that work. - Laura Bush

Leftists and very small children don't seem to be able to understand that the Government isn't there to "fix" the economy, anymore than a tick is there to fix your dog.~Oftencold

FS you can't reley on people doing the right thing about barrowing if the loan companies are out to give them money. If that situation threatens us all (which it does), We need to regulate. What you are saying is like saying we shouls allow people to go into a drug store anythime and pick what they want. You have to have regultions on the pharmacy because pharmacies are in the business of making a profit.

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I encourage you to do so on a regular basis, as well as a good thesaurus, and grammar primer.

Now, apply a little actual thought to what that definition of "Conservatism" would have meant in pre-revolutionary America, during the French Terror, the Victorian Era, and the Spanish Inquisition, and during the Civil Rights Movement."

Note, that the Modern Right while Conservative, quite correctly claims most of this country's founders as their own. Those people are also called "Classical Liberals."

The Leftists who wanted to maintain racial segregation in the Twentieth Century were certainly acting as "Conservatives," and were opposed by the precursors of the Modern Right.

Do you begin to see?
Oh dear, it may be worse than I thought.
Let me see if I can bring this down to a sub-elementary level.

Alright, one of the basics of rational thought, is the preservation and use of experience, personal and through such media as the written word, the spoken word, and lately electronic and photographic technology, the experiences of others. From this such concepts as "education," and "wisdom" arise.

The reference to "actions that were done long before most anybody here lived" is an appeal to what we call "history." This is a fascinating and profitable area of study, and I recommend most highly that you engage in an exploration of this body of knowledge at once.

Since it seems you have no familiarity whatsoever with the concept of "history," we gain a brilliant insight into your lack of insight, as it were.

So, to encapsulate, a continuous reference to the past, is a requirement for rationality. Without it, once can have no frame of reference, once cannot even have a language as a means of intelligent expression. Without it, one certainly cannot produce rational arguments.

See above.

No, we cannot, but you may, I expect that you probably will, in fact.

I think you might want to refer to that author of that phrase, I was commenting on its compositional merit.

As I took pains to explain above, without a reference to history, your objections to the nature of a party, movement, person or most other non-abstracts are essentially fanciful. And on that basis, irrefutable.

If you'll point out where I have said that you did, I might. Frankly I don't see where I did.

I frequently do, and often more than one. I suppose we could get into a contest of over command of the language, but I think that if you'll read a wide cross-section of my posts you'll soon come to the conclusion that that's probably not a very good idea.

Carry on.

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"Sometimes, the source of the beautiful dawning light that drives back the darkness, is your house burning"

Like they didn't want THAT health care bill. So they just didn't show up for either but still manage to send henchmen to block amendments. They offer no amendments then sing the blues.
Your Republican party is a sham, why don't you admit it and get it over with??

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That's right. When you don't hold the majority you have to offer amendments and sell them. But the right is just petulant. They want to play politics more then serve the public. Their idea is that they are always right so why play ball at all.

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MmHmm That about sums it up.

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And a fallacious one at that.

They don't want THIS bill. Cnredd posted a link to their proposal back in msg#15. So post what it is you have that proves they don't want any reform at all.