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I've been saying for sometime now that you cannot get the truth about the issues of the day from the corporate mainstream media. And the recent health care debate across the country will show why.

There is a conflict of interest when it comes to major media outlets doing objective journalism. Because major media outlets are owned by corporations who are run by boards of directors. And by coincedence, that's how major health care insurance companies and pharmacuticals are run as well. What is even more of a coincedence, is that many of them share the same social environment, economic level and government officials with which they interact. And what is even more of a coincedence, they also share the same board members.

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A recent FAIR study of nine major media corporations and their major outlets, Disney (ABC), General Electric (NBC), CBS, Time Warner (CNN, Time), News Corporation (Fox), New York Times Co., Washington Post Co. (Newsweek), Tribune Co. (Chicago Tribune, L.A. Times) and Gannett (USA Today) found connections to six different insurance companies. Five out of the nine media corporations studied shared a director with an insurance company; two insurance companies—Chubb and Berkshire Hathaway—were represented by more than one media corporation director.
You wonder why there is not much talk in the media about the benefits of a single-payer, public option on UHC, it is because major media outlets like Fox News and major health care companies are the same group of *******s who would lose money through more competition for health care customers.

They share a common goal. That's why people like Glenn Beck and O'Reilly praise town hall bullies as patriots and do stories on this phoney grass roots movement.

And for the record, Fox News has as it's bed partners of shared directors, the insurance and pharmacutical companies GlaxoSmithKline, Genentech, Hybritech. As a result, we get Fixed News. Data mining. It's all spin, all the time.

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though healthcare reform has been mentioned thousands of times in the output of these media corporations’ major outlets, single-payer was mentioned in only 164 articles or news segments from January 1 through June 30, 2009; over 70 percent of these mentions did not include the voice of a single-payer advocate. Over 45 percent of the pieces that did include a single-payer advocate were episodes of the Ed Show
You think that's fair and balanced?

Like I've already said, people who are against the public option are paid to be. It is not because that option lacks merit.

To be fair, I will end this as objectively as I can...
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While it should go without saying that correlation is not causation, this study indicates that, at the very least, corporate media and the insurance and pharmaceutical industries’ interests are fundamentally aligned.
Keep that in mind next time your watching the All Spin Zone.

Here is the "single-sayer", media outlets and their corporate bed partners.

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You like pokin' that bees nest, don'tcha???

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I've been saying for sometime now that you cannot get the truth about the issues of the day from the corporate mainstream media. And the recent health care debate across the country will show why.

There is a conflict of interest when it comes to major media outlets doing objective journalism. Because major media outlets are owned by corporations who are run by boards of directors. And by coincedence, that's how major health care insurance companies and pharmacuticals are run as well. What is even more of a coincedence, is that many of them share the same social environment, economic level and government officials with which they interact. And what is even more of a coincedence, they also share the same board members.


You wonder why there is not much talk in the media about the benefits of a single-payer, public option on UHC, it is because major media outlets like Fox News and major health care companies are the same group of *******s who would lose money through more competition for health care customers.

Of all the news bureaus mentioned, you only highlight Fox. Why?

They share a common goal. That's why people like Glenn Beck and O'Reilly praise town hall bullies as patriots and do stories on this phoney grass roots movement.
Phoney grass roots? You were'nt at the TEA Party I was at on Friday night... I guess a couple of hundred intelligent people making themselves publicly heard is just flat-out phoney...

And for the record, Fox News has as it's bed partners of shared directors, the insurance and pharmacutical companies GlaxoSmithKline, Genentech, Hybritech. As a result, we get Fixed News. Data mining. It's all spin, all the time.

You think that's fair and balanced?

Virtually every company shares a member of its BoD with another company, because good solid business minds are such a rarity these days. I would be more interested in see what all BoD's Obama's advisers sit on....

Like I've already said, people who are against the public option are paid to be. It is not because that option lacks merit.

Ya think so, eh? Well, how about I am against the Public Option and I'm not paid! And yes, it's lacking in merit because of it's expense to EVERYBODY, and the goverment's inability to handle it. I think that kinda pokes a hole in that idea.To be fair, I will end this as objectively as I can...

Keep that in mind next time your watching the All Spin Zone.

Here is the "single-sayer", media outlets and their corporate bed partners.

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You like pokin' that bees nest, don'tcha???
It's quite the rush.

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Of all the news bureaus mentioned, you only highlight Fox. Why?
Oh, I don't know. It might have something to do with how arrogant they spew their dogma and the height of the pedastal their sheeple put them on.

So just in case you felt cheated when reading my post...
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It’s getting hard to take the Washington Post seriously as a supposedly leading American newspaper. In recent years, it has devolved into a combination of neocon propaganda sheet and pompous conveyor of the conventional wisdom.
The Post help sell the war against Iraq like the rest of the corporate media (ie., NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc) by treating ridiculous Bush claims about a country that could only muster 9 hours of electricity a day was a threat to the US, as a fact.

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Phoney grass roots? You were'nt at the TEA Party I was at on Friday night... I guess a couple of hundred intelligent people making themselves publicly heard is just flat-out phoney...
I didn't say the TEA Party wasn't grass roots. I still don't know what the hell they're objecting too. From what I understand, they got issues with excessive taxes. However, unless they're all making over $250K a year, their taxes will go down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize this. And there is nothing wrong with public meetings discussing common issues, unless someone's goal is to disrupt those meetings. Like the astro-turfers in the health care debates.

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Virtually every company shares a member of its BoD with another company, because good solid business minds are such a rarity these days. I would be more interested in see what all BoD's Obama's advisers sit on...
I think we both know the answer to that.

They are all part of the same club. That's why these problems are not right v left; conservative v liberal; it is American's v Corporations and what is at steak is a representative government. And the only viable weapon we have at our disposal, is one man, one vote.

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Ya think so, eh? Well, how about I am against the Public Option and I'm not paid!
Yeah, but you're still basing your objections on the same irrational logic.

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And yes, it's lacking in merit because of it's expense to EVERYBODY, and the goverment's inability to handle it....
Like that statement.

Current health care costs amount to 16% of our GNP. Obama's health care bill would cost about 1% of our GNP. And as far as "inability to handle it", nobody's complaining about Medicare. That's a single-payer, government run system that many people are happy with. But if they do pass this bill and it does become the elephant in the room, I will be the first one to admit, "You were right and I was wrong".

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I think that kinda pokes a hole in that idea.
You poke holes with valid rebuttal's, not Palin talking points. If you would have used one of the many valid reason's to be concerned about this bill, like how to specifically administer it, that would be a hole I could not rebut.

The whole point of this thread is to shed some light on media dis-information. I'm not saying everything reported is bull****; I am saying we should find out for ourselves whether something said is true or not.
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We all knew in the back of our minds there were connections. Rush Limbugh has been the beneficiary of the right wing nut propaganda daddys for some time now. He used to be sponsored by a group that was formed to re elect Ronald Regan.
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It's quite the rush.

Oh, I don't know. It might have something to do with how arrogant they spew their dogma and the height of the pedastal their sheeple put them on.

So just in case you felt cheated when reading my post...

The Post help sell the war against Iraq like the rest of the corporate media (ie., NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, etc) by treating ridiculous Bush claims about a country that could only muster 9 hours of electricity a day was a threat to the US, as a fact.

Happy?

I didn't say the TEA Party wasn't grass roots. I still don't know what the hell they're objecting too. From what I understand, they got issues with excessive taxes. However, unless they're all making over $250K a year, their taxes will go down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize this. And there is nothing wrong with public meetings discussing common issues, unless someone's goal is to disrupt those meetings. Like the astro-turfers in the health care debates.

I think we both know the answer to that.

They are all part of the same club. That's why these problems are not right v left; conservative v liberal; it is American's v Corporations and what is at steak is a representative government. And the only viable weapon we have at our disposal, is one man, one vote.

Yeah, but you're still basing your objections on the same irrational logic.

Like that statement.

Current health care costs amount to 16% of our GNP. Obama's health care bill would cost about 1% of our GNP. And as far as "inability to handle it", nobody's complaining about Medicare. That's a single-payer, government run system that many people are happy with. But if they do pass this bill and it does become the elephant in the room, I will be the first one to admit, "You were right and I was wrong".

You poke holes with valid rebuttal's, not Palin talking points. If you would have used one of the many valid reason's to be concerned about this bill, like how to specifically administer it, that would be a hole I could not rebut.

The whole point of this thread is to shed some light on media dis-information. I'm not saying everything reported is bull****; I am saying we should find out for ourselves whether something said is true or not.
I can't quite seem to get the hang of the multi-quote thingy, so I'll just have to do a line by line....

"I didn't say the TEA Party wasn't grass roots. I still don't know what the hell they're objecting too. From what I understand, they got issues with excessive taxes. However, unless they're all making over $250K a year, their taxes will go down. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize this. "

Taxed Enough Already. Self explainatory.
No, the $250k line is what O is selling. Take a good look at the real numbers as shown in HR 3200 (which, by the way, you never did answer my question of if you actually had read it, that I have seen) and you would see that there is no way on the green earth that those kind of monies will be raised just from people who earn over $250k, nor will it support the program if as many people as they claim will be covered by it. As with many goverment programs, it's a Ponzi scheme that alot of people will be paying for, for a long, long time. Therefore, taxes will go up. Bet on it. Apparently, it does take a rocket scientist
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"Yeah, but you're still basing your objections on the same irrational logic."

By your train of thought only. I've read the bill, and play with numbers day in and day out, I see the functions of a smaller businses at closehand. My logic is derived from the bill itself. It is written to satisfy the monetarily challenged at the expense of smaller to medium sized businesses. It will cause said businesses to either drastically downsize or close, causing lose of jobs and revenue sources the goverment is looking for to support this pyramid. It is financially unstable, cannot be run on the money they say they need, and therefore would end up being another financial boondoogle that the goverment addresses with additional taxes. No two ways about it. And I've said it many times before on this board. If you hadn't figured out my "logic" from other posts, there you have it.

"But if they do pass this bill and it does become the elephant in the room, I will be the first one to admit, "You were right and I was wrong"."
I'm writin' THAT one down...

"The whole point of this thread is to shed some light on media dis-information. I'm not saying everything reported is bull****; I am saying we should find out for ourselves whether something said is true or not"
See my note about whether you have read HR 3200 or not... I've done my reading and research.
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I can't quite seem to get the hang of the multi-quote thingy, so I'll just have to do a line by line....
That's what Mayor Berry said about making the streets of Washington 'drug free". He was going to do it, line by line.

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Taxed Enough Already. Self explainatory.
No, the $250k line is what O is selling. Take a good look at the real numbers as shown in HR 3200 (which, by the way, you never did answer my question of if you actually had read it, that I have seen)
Alright, let's get this out of the way, "Yes, I've read it". And quite frankly, I don't see what the big god-damn deal is with this bill. It is not the biggest problem we need to address in this country. In fact, it is not much different than Medicare and no one's protesting that.

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and you would see that there is no way on the green earth that those kind of monies will be raised just from people who earn over $250k, nor will it support the program if as many people as they claim will be covered by it. As with many goverment programs, it's a Ponzi scheme that alot of people will be paying for, for a long, long time. Therefore, taxes will go up. Bet on it. Apparently, it does take a rocket scientist
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Whatever it turns out to be, it will be a lot cheaper than what we have now.

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By your train of thought only. I've read the bill, and play with numbers day in and day out, I see the functions of a smaller businses at closehand. My logic is derived from the bill itself. It is written to satisfy the monetarily challenged at the expense of smaller to medium sized businesses.
Well, excuse me if I'm not so sympathetic to the current monopolies that are raping this country's resources because we don't enforce anti-trust laws anymore. I could care less about a company that charges me $400 for a single x-ray or $12,000 for one night in the hospital. In a capitolist system, if you are not competitive, you don't belong in the dance.

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It will cause said businesses to either drastically downsize or close, causing lose of jobs and revenue sources the goverment is looking for to support this pyramid.
If you are so concerned about government spending, why is it you have no problem with our obscene defense budget that costs $900 billion a year? That's our biggest overhead expense and nothing comes close to that. Why is it, your not protesting spending $12 billion a month on someone else's country, if you're so concerned about government spending? If you're so concerned about how your tax dollars are spent, how come you're not protesting Halliburton getting no-bid contracts after they've defrauded the government of millions of dollars? Why are these expenditures okay, yet UHC is over the top?

I answered your questions, are you going to answer mine?

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It is financially unstable, cannot be run on the money they say they need, and therefore would end up being another financial boondoogle that the goverment addresses with additional taxes. No two ways about it. And I've said it many times before on this board. If you hadn't figured out my "logic" from other posts, there you have it.
Like I said, it's not much different than Medicare and they seem to being running that without endangering democracy.

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See my note about whether you have read HR 3200 or not... I've done my reading and research.
So have I, with different conclusions. I based my reasoning on examples that have already happened, like the comparison to the single-payer, government-run, Medicare. I didn't base it on a crystal ball that is predicting things that may (or may not) occur.

But if they do, you have my word, I will send you a Thank You card and a few bucks for a crystal ball rental.
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That's what Mayor Berry said about making the streets of Washington 'drug free". He was going to do it, line by line.

Alright, let's get this out of the way, "Yes, I've read it". And quite frankly, I don't see what the big god-damn deal is with this bill. It is not the biggest problem we need to address in this country. In fact, it is not much different than Medicare and no one's protesting that.
Uh, yes they are. And I have too....you can't possibly believe that they are doind a good job when they are broke, cutting payments to providers, and planning on cutting benefits?
Whatever it turns out to be, it will be a lot cheaper than what we have now.
Only cheaper, perhaps to direct impact on your wallet, sorta. Smaller businesses will close, cut jobs, and you think that is cheaper?
Well, excuse me if I'm not so sympathetic to the current monopolies that are raping this country's resources because we don't enforce anti-trust laws anymore. I could care less about a company that charges me $400 for a single x-ray or $12,000 for one night in the hospital. In a capitolist system, if you are not competitive, you don't belong in the dance.

I, and they, are not refering to conglomerate corporations... we're talking businesses that have gross annual payrolls of $400k... carring an additional minimum of $32,000 (non tax deductible, if they have their way) in expense.
How can you NOT see the problem here????????


If you are so concerned about government spending, why is it you have no problem with our obscene defense budget that costs $900 billion a year? That's our biggest overhead expense and nothing comes close to that. Why is it, your not protesting spending $12 billion a month on someone else's country, if you're so concerned about government spending? If you're so concerned about how your tax dollars are spent, how come you're not protesting Halliburton getting no-bid contracts after they've defrauded the government of millions of dollars? Why are these expenditures okay, yet UHC is over the top?

Boy, did you just make a mis-assumption.... that's a whole 'nuther thread, though. NEVER have I said, NEVER, that I was ok with anything you just pressumed in the paragraph above.

I answered your questions, are you going to answer mine?

Like I said, it's not much different than Medicare and they seem to being running that without endangering democracy.

Define "endangering Democracy" in this pretext... without laughing.

So have I, with different conclusions. I based my reasoning on examples that have already happened, like the comparison to the single-payer, government-run, Medicare. I didn't base it on a crystal ball that is predicting things that may (or may not) occur.

But if they do, you have my word, I will send you a Thank You card and a few bucks for a crystal ball rental.
No crystal ball. It's called being in smaller business, talking with other smaller business owners, and doing the research.

From H.R. 3200......

SEC. 2002. PUBLIC HEALTH INVESTMENT FUND.

(a) Establishment of Funds-

(1) IN GENERAL- There is established a fund to be known as the `Public Health Investment Fund' (referred to in this section as the `Fund').

(2) FUNDING-

(A) There shall be deposited into the Fund--

(i) for fiscal year 2010, $4,600,000,000;

(ii) for fiscal year 2011, $5,600,000,000;

(iii) for fiscal year 2012, $6,900,000,000;

(iv) for fiscal year 2013, $7,800,000,000;

(v) for fiscal year 2014, $9,000,000,000;

(vi) for fiscal year 2015, $9,400,000,000;

(vii) for fiscal year 2016, $10,100,000,000;

(viii) for fiscal year 2017, $10,800,000,000;

(ix) for fiscal year 2018, $11,800,000,000; and

(x) for fiscal year 2019, $12,700,000,000.

(Amounts deposited into the Fund shall be derived from general revenues of the Treasury.


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(Reduction of Employee Premiums Through Minimum Employer Contribution-

(1) FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES- The minimum employer contribution described in this subsection for coverage of a full-time employee (and, if any, the employee's spouse and qualifying children (as defined in section 152 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986) under a qualified health benefits plan (or current employment-based health plan) is equal to--

(A) in case of individual coverage, not less than 72.5 percent of the applicable premium (as defined in section 4980B(f)(4) of such Code, subject to paragraph (2)) of the lowest cost plan offered by the employer that is a qualified health benefits plan (or is such current employment-based health plan); and

(in the case of family coverage which includes coverage of such spouse and children, not less 65 percent of such applicable premium of such lowest cost plan.

H.R. 3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (GovTrack.us)
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obama and the dems have said that half the money for healthcare reform would come from those earning 250K a year or more and that the rest will come from 500 MILLION DOLLARS IN CUTS TO MEDICARE, (I'm sure the seniors will be happy with that,) and cutting the waste, fraud and abuse in the system.

Assuming that the above is all true, can anyone tell me when the government was ever able to get a handle on the waste, fraud, and abuse of any thing they ever did?

Introducing more than 40 million new people into the healthcare system and providing care for the entire nation and not one lefty can see this is undoable without rationing and huge tax increases.....GIVE ME FRIGGIN BREAK!
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SO what's the plan for handling the estimated 50,000,000 new patients hitting our already overloaded healthcare system??? Until this issue is resolved, UHC is a guaranteed failure.
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SO what's the plan for handling the estimated 50,000,000 new patients hitting our already overloaded healthcare system??? Until this issue is resolved, UHC is a guaranteed failure.
How the hellcould it be overloaded when half the country has no health insurance or is denied care because of pre-conditions?

And how could health care businesses be under-staffed with the prices so ridiculously high?

And how the **** do you know 50 million new patients will suddenly materialize?

What you think might happen, is a hypothesis, not a fact.

And what the hell does that have to do with this thread?
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