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Chris Hayes: Electoral College ‘Would Be Unconstitutional’ If It ‘Wasn’t Specifically In The Constitution’

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Chris Hayes argued that the Electoral College “would be unconstitutional” if it “wasn’t specifically in the Constitution.”

The MSNBC host made the comment during a lecture-style presentation knocking the system on Friday night’s “All In with Chris Hayes.”

“But I think there is actually a deeper philosophical thing happening, which is the question of what exactly American democracy is for,” Hayes said. “And the weirdest thing about the Electoral College is the fact that if it wasn’t specifically in the Constitution for the presidency, it would be unconstitutional.”

The MSNBC host based his opinion off the Supreme Court having developed “a jurisprudence of one person, one vote,” which means “each individual vote has to carry roughly the same amount of weight as each other individual vote.”
Of individuals do NOT vote for the president; states do...But let's not let that cat out of the bag (shhhhh!)…
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His right to free speech and be part of the press would be unconstitutional if it wasn't part of the constitution.
But hey, that is what allows him to be stupid.
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Wow, Chris Hayes is a regular Einstein. He's on par with the brilliance we are seeing from Joe Biden and his masterful Presidential campaign.
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Wow, Chris Hayes is a regular Einstein. He's on par with the brilliance we are seeing from Joe Biden and his masterful Presidential campaign.
Joe Biden is full of smartitude.
Old white people seem to rule the DNC with their inclusion.
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Chris Hayes: Electoral College ‘Would Be Unconstitutional’ If It ‘Wasn’t Specifically In The Constitution’

Of individuals do NOT vote for the president; states do...But let's not let that cat out of the bag (shhhhh!)…
I think his point was that if we did start out by choosing a president based on a national popular vote, had the electoral college never been conceived and written into the constitution and we tried to implement such today, that it would be ruled unconstitutional by the courts. We would go from an equal vote for every citizen in an presidential election, to a person in a more populous state having less voting power than someone in Idaho due to how electoral votes are distributed under our current system. It's really not that stupid.
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I think his point was that if we did start out by choosing a president based on a national popular vote, had the electoral college never been conceived and written into the constitution and we tried to implement such today, that it would be ruled unconstitutional by the courts. We would go from an equal vote for every citizen in an presidential election, to a person in a more populous state having less voting power than someone in Idaho due to how electoral votes are distributed under our current system. It's really not that stupid.
Actually, since the presidency was never designed to be decided by popular vote it is that stupid. The founders well knew the stupidity of allowing unfettered democracy. History is pretty solid on the fact it never works for long. That is why, initially, the Senate was selected by each state legislature and not by popular vote. If we had the brains of a dead cockroach, we would go back to that system.
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I think his point was that if we did start out by choosing a president based on a national popular vote, had the electoral college never been conceived and written into the constitution and we tried to implement such today, that it would be ruled unconstitutional by the courts. We would go from an equal vote for every citizen in an presidential election, to a person in a more populous state having less voting power than someone in Idaho due to how electoral votes are distributed under our current system. It's really not that stupid.
Rough numbers.

Idaho 1.7 million people, 2 members of Congress, 5 electors

California 40 million people, 53 members of Congress, 55 electors

Do the arithmetic. On average it takes fewer votes per elector in California than Idaho.

Remember the 2000 election recounts? Extend that into a nation level. Recounts and lawsuits could easily extend past the inauguration date provoking a Constitutional crisis.
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Actually, since the presidency was never designed to be decided by popular vote it is that stupid. The founders well knew the stupidity of allowing unfettered democracy. History is pretty solid on the fact it never works for long. That is why, initially, the Senate was selected by each state legislature and not by popular vote. If we had the brains of a dead cockroach, we would go back to that system.
changing how senators are elected did more damage to our republic than anything else in our history.
we now have a system in which the states do not have representation in our federal government as they did before the progressives foolishly began pushing us toward a pure democracy.
instead we have the house who represents the people of their respective districts and a senate who represents mega-populated areas of a state. here in ohio it's the three Cs - cincinnati, columbus and cleveland. the rest of the state does not matter to our senators because those three metro ares are where they are elected.
if the president were elected in a national popular vote only the largest metro areas would matter.
instead our system was supposed to be a system of representation even in our election system so both the people and the states would have a voice.
i'd like to see the way the electoral college distributes the votes changed to allow for more direct distribution based on winning each congressional district.
since each state has as many electoral votes as congressional districts plus two as in senators -- which ever candidate wins the popular vote in a given congressional district should win the electoral vote for that district. then which ever candidate wins the popular vote in a given state should then win the additional two electoral votes representing the state (as in senators) -- or maybe have the state legislatures vote with the winning candidate getting the two additional electoral votes kind of like how senators should be elected.
then they couldn't just depend on the large metro areas to win the total of any states electoral votes. at that point every district in every state would matter.
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While your suggestion has merit, I doubt we could ever find enough agreement to implement it. I would suggest that we simply repeal the 17th Amendment to put the appointment of Senators back to the State Legislature were it belongs. The most profound affect of this would be that the power of the parties would be greatly diminished. Instead of our Senator Sherrod Brown getting his marching orders from Chuch Schumer, he would have to vote on issues as the Ohio Legislature demands or face replacement. This would greatly reduce the influence that Schumer and McConnell now have.
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Chris Hayes: Electoral College ‘Would Be Unconstitutional’ If It ‘Wasn’t Specifically In The Constitution’

Of individuals do NOT vote for the president; states do...But let's not let that cat out of the bag (shhhhh!)…
That is why MSNBC should be the abbreviation of Mostly Stupid Nonsense By Communists. People who whine about the electoral college are butt hurt little pussies who are upset that people in California,New York and a handful of other leftwing lunatic states couldn't pick the president.
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