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I did not miss it...I just know the full story instead of cherry picking moments from it...
I can't continue to give you the benefit of the doubt if you insist on being obtuse.
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Then I guess you missed the part where Trump answered sixty-plus questions over 1 hour-27 minutes...
I didn't miss it.
But here's the thing, Vald Putin has press conferences of hours plus as well.
But the Russian press knows how far it can go and some press aren't invited... or are in jail or underground or dead.

I'm not saying Trumps is as nearly as bad as that. But it's the SAME principle. gov't control/pressure/influence of the press. And the U.S. is supposed to be the opposite of that redd. How many degrees of gov't control of the press do you think is right? Whatever degree of control Trump uses it?

But to be fair, Trump isn't the 1st president to do this type of thing. He (like in so many areas) just does it in your face rather than subtly behind the scenes.
the White House press corp has always been a selected group of news orgs. And some orgs/reporters have been DISinvited/ejected and many others have never been invited.
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I didn't miss it.
But here's the thing, Vald Putin has press conferences of hours plus as well.
But the Russian press knows how far it can go and some press aren't invited... or are in jail or underground or dead.

I'm not saying Trumps is as nearly as bad as that. But it's the SAME principle. gov't control of the press. And the U.S. is supposed to be the opposite of that redd. How many degrees of gov't control of the press do you think is right? whatever amount Trump does it?

But to be fair, Trump isn't the 1st president to do this type of thing. He (like in so many areas) just does it in your face rather than subtly behind the scenes.
the White House press corp has always been a selected group of news orgs. And some orgs/reporters have been DISinvited/ejected and many others have never been invited.
I would agree with you except for the fact that Acosta has been belligerent and confrontational with Trump all along. What separates this incident from any of the others, is his behavior. He is not being banned for asking tough questions, he's being banned for acting like a jerk. If the WH started banning people asking tough questions, 90% of them would be gone by now.
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I would agree with you except for the fact that Acosta has been belligerent and confrontational with Trump all along. What separates this incident from any of the others, is his behavior. He is not being banned for asking tough questions, he's being banned for acting like a jerk. If the WH started banning people asking tough questions, 90% of them would be gone by now.
So acting like a jerk is the line where the U.S. gov't can start controlling the press?
Who exactly determines what acting like jerk means? the gov't? is there legal definition of "acting like a jerk"?
when Dems or other D or R snowflakes are in power what will their definition of people acting like jerks be?

Also seems to me that a wise president would leave people in that are obviously acting like jerks and not asking relevant questions. makes the press look like arses and president seem long-suffering of the foolish.
Plus Trump doesn't have to call on any reporter to let them ask questions, or he can call on the jerks last. There's any number of ways he could have handled it but Trump's go to move for folks that rub him wrong is "YOUR FIRED!". "get him outta here!". In a biz that's OK, but as the the public servant president of the U.S. it's not supposed to work that way.
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So acting like a jerk is the line where the U.S. gov't can start controlling the press?
Who exactly determines what acting like jerk means? the gov't? is there legal definition of "acting like a jerk"?
when Dems or other D or R snowflakes are in power what will their definition of people acting like jerks be?

Also seems to me that a wise president would leave people in that are obviously acting like jerks and not asking relevant questions. makes the press look like arses and president seem long-suffering of the foolish.
Plus Trump doesn't have to call on any reporter to let them ask questions, or he can call on the jerks last. There's any number of ways he could have handled it but Trump's go to move for folks that rub him wrong is "YOUR FIRED!". "get him outta here!". In a biz that's OK, but as the the public servant president of the U.S. it's not supposed to work that way.
Stopped reading right there. You obviously conflate telling one reporter from one news agency that he is not welcome inside the White House, with shutting down all news agencies access to the White House. You do realize that Acosta is just one of many CNN reporters with WH press credentials and that CNN still has as much access to the WH as any other news agency?

You are basically trying to rationalize bad behavior all in the pretense of protecting the 1st Amendment. CNN still has WH access and Acosta is still free to spew his nonsense at will on CNN or anywhere else that they will give him a platform. He is just not allowed into the WH for now. But neither am I. Perhaps I should sue the WH also as my constitutional rights are being violated.
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Stopped reading right there. You obviously conflate telling one reporter from one news agency that he is not welcome inside the White House, with shutting down all news agencies access to the White House. You do realize that Acosta is just one of many CNN reporters with WH press credentials and that CNN still has as much access to the WH as any other news agency?

You are basically trying to rationalize bad behavior all in the pretense of protecting the 1st Amendment. CNN still has WH access and Acosta is still free to spew his nonsense at will on CNN or anywhere else that they will give him a platform. He is just not allowed into the WH for now. But neither am I. Perhaps I should sue the WH also as my constitutional rights are being violated.
I'm not conflating anything.
"being a jerk" is a lame excuse.
On a Practical level, one excuse is as good as another.
please don't assume what i'm doing. if you read what i say you'll get my meaning. I never even implied that he kicked out everyone or was planing to.
but it is a STEP in that direction.

not all independent media has been banned from facebook etc Just Alex Jones and several others not big enough to make the news. it's a STEP in control. that wasn't used before. it's moved the line of acceptable squelching of voices further down the road.
it's a precedent.

pointing out the canaries in the coal mine is what I'm doing.
I hope you're not such a Trump fan (like some where of Obama) that anything he does is justified.

and the idea that a reporter is TOO RUDE for Trump is frankly pretty laughable. Trump himself has erased all lines of "proper" conduct and speech. no matter what the venue.
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So acting like a jerk is the line where the U.S. gov't can start controlling the press?
Who exactly determines what acting like jerk means? the gov't? is there legal definition of "acting like a jerk"?
when Dems or other D or R snowflakes are in power what will their definition of people acting like jerks be?

Also seems to me that a wise president would leave people in that are obviously acting like jerks and not asking relevant questions. makes the press look like arses and president seem long-suffering of the foolish.
Plus Trump doesn't have to call on any reporter to let them ask questions, or he can call on the jerks last. There's any number of ways he could have handled it but Trump's go to move for folks that rub him wrong is "YOUR FIRED!". "get him outta here!". In a biz that's OK, but as the the public servant president of the U.S. it's not supposed to work that way.
It seems to me a wise President would ban a reporter who sought to make the WH press conference about themselves rather than participating in the process of allowing a variety of reporters to question the President. Where do we draw the line? When a reporter refuses to relinquish the microphone after the President has treated him equitably with the other reporters and indicates he is moving on to another reporter. The line is rightfully draw when the lout posing as a journalist pushes away the arm of an intern trying to retrieve the WH microphone.

There is absolutely no evidence Trump is ejecting reporters based on questions he doesn't like. Based on the defense of Acosta's tantrum by the media there is every reason to believe there are plenty of reporters who will emulate Acosta's boorish behavior the contempt for the President is palpable.

Kindly explain how the President should maintain some control over the press conference under the new rule where a reporter can just keep the microphone for as long as they wish.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an intern ever try to take a microphone away from a reporter still speaking
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an intern ever try to take a microphone away from a reporter still speaking
I'm not sure I've ever seen a "reporter" (and I use that term loosely in this case), continue to make a fool of himself and banter on after the person hosting the press conference has informed said reporter, that his question was answered and other reporter was being called upon. And then after being told that, to continue to pontificate about his personal feelings about the subject at hand by telling the President that the President's position is wrong.

That you seem to to gloss completely over that fact shows how blinded you are by your partisanship.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an intern ever try to take a microphone away from a reporter still speaking
I can't recall a WH reporter childishly clinging to what's supposed to be a shared microphone provided by the WH after the President has told him directly no additional questions from him will be entertained. I can't recall a WH reporter physically resisting attempts to retrieve the microphone so it can be passed to a fellow journalist. Behavior like Acosta's boorish tantrum used to be condemned by the public and even the stately members of the WH press corps. That was before the Resistance made it ok to attack Trump reflexively.

The new convention permits a WH correspondent to hang on to the microphone for as long as he or she wishes to harangue the President. Who cares if other reporters get a question or not, the freedom of the press requires Presidential press conferences be turned into a monologue by the reporter if the reporter desires it.
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