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First, here's CNN (and MSNBC) promoting one of the ANTI-Trump rallies that were created by the 13 Russians up on Mueller indictments...


Now did CNN and MSNBC KNOW they were helping to promote Russian chaos?...

Nothing leads anyone to believe that answer is "yes"...They were part of the "unwitting" Deputy AG Rosenstein talked about...CNN & MSNBC were just there to promote another hate-Trump story (Michael Moore was even at one of them)...

Well..."Unwitting" people were on the other side, too...One lady heard about a Pro-Trump rally and put it up on her Facebook page (Of course, not knowing the Russians indicted were the creators of the rally)...

So what does duped media outlet CNN do?...

They ambush the lady at her friggin' house to ask "Were you REALLY duped?!?!"!...

The unwitting: The Trump supporters used by Russia


Of course, they don't do a story on Lefties (including THEMSELVES) called "The unwitting: The ANTI-Trump supporters used by Russia"...

Oh....CNN made the woman's name public, and like moths to flame, she's getting "viciously attacked online"...
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First, here's CNN (and MSNBC) promoting one of the ANTI-Trump rallies that were created by the 13 Russians up on Mueller indictments...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLoxUNngdSA

Now did CNN and MSNBC KNOW they were helping to promote Russian chaos?...

Nothing leads anyone to believe that answer is "yes"...They were part of the "unwitting" Deputy AG Rosenstein talked about...CNN & MSNBC were just there to promote another hate-Trump story (Michael Moore was even at one of them)...
Promoting? It looks like they're reporting on a rally of hundreds or thousands of people that's already underway in NYC. Yes, they also express the purpose of the rally as described to them by those in attendance and that's also called "reporting" of an event.

"Reporting" on an event is not the same as "Promoting" an event. To promote an event the news stations would have had to be actively engaged days before the event took place to encourage turnout and there's no evidence of that happening.

BTW - With so many demonstrators in the streets of NYC did Fox News also report on the demonstration? I'm curious because it would reflect partisan political censorship by Fox if it didn't report on a major demonstration such as this one.

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Well..."Unwitting" people were on the other side, too...One lady heard about a Pro-Trump rally and put it up on her Facebook page (Of course, not knowing the Russians indicted were the creators of the rally)...

So what does duped media outlet CNN do?...

They ambush the lady at her friggin' house to ask "Were you REALLY duped?!?!"!...

The unwitting: The Trump supporters used by Russia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E05VFvQ-zSk

Of course, they don't do a story on Lefties (including THEMSELVES) called "The unwitting: The ANTI-Trump supporters used by Russia"...

Oh....CNN made the woman's name public, and like moths to flame, she's getting "viciously attacked online"...
"The Rabbit Hole" is the source? What an outstanding and reputable news source (that no one's ever heard of).

So let's see. CNN provides information on a public Facebook page that the woman has but somehow they're releasing personal information about the woman? That has to be the most absurd and false accusation I've heard today. When you have a public Facebook page then it's public knowledge and not private information. And the woman placed her name on the Facebook page so she's already publically identified herself to anyone that wants to know.

What's really interesting of course is that in spite of the actual evidence that she was unwittingly posting Russian disinformation on her Facebook page she sticks her head in the sand and claims that it didn't happen. Seriously? No one's claiming she promoted Russian propaganda intentionally. She was simply duped by the Russians and she wasn't alone. Of course it's human nature to resist believing that you've been made a fool of but when the evidence is clear it's time to pony up and admit the truth..... something that Trump supporters simply refuse to do in most cases.

But this isn't all that important when it comes to the 37 page Mueller indictment of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election that only addresses the Russians and those Americans that were unwittingly duped by the Russians.

What's important about this indictment is that it establishes the criminal conspiracy by the Russians that's explicitly laid out in the indictment. The claims that the Russian investigation is a "hoax by the Democrats" just went down in a ball of flames.

The indictment also states there are "named and unnamed" Americans that weren't included and that they weren't unwitting participants. Mueller's team has already identified Americans that were knowingly involved with the Russians, some of which they've already revealed to the Grand Jury, but they're not addressed in this indictment that focuses on the Russians. Any American that knowingly worked with or attempted to work with the Russians becomes a co-conspirator in the criminal Russian conspiracy to corrupt our election process in 2016.

Would a willingness to use information (e.g. illegally obtained Democratic emails) that you know is being provided for by Russian intelligence establish the willingness of Americans to conspire with the Russians to corrupt our election process? I'm not a lawyer and can't make a legal call on that but I know that if I was on a jury I might seriously consider that to be evidence of "conspiring with the Russians" to corrupt our election.

And yes, "Conspiring (or attempting to conspire) with the Russians" is "collusion" in case you're wondering.
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Promoting? It looks like they're reporting on a rally of hundreds or thousands of people that's already underway in NYC. Yes, they also express the purpose of the rally as described to them by those in attendance and that's also called "reporting" of an event.

"Reporting" on an event is not the same as "Promoting" an event. To promote an event the news stations would have had to be actively engaged days before the event took place to encourage turnout and there's no evidence of that happening.

BTW - With so many demonstrators in the streets of NYC did Fox News also report on the demonstration? I'm curious because it would reflect partisan political censorship by Fox if it didn't report on a major demonstration such as this one.



"The Rabbit Hole" is the source? What an outstanding and reputable news source (that no one's ever heard of).

So let's see. CNN provides information on a public Facebook page that the woman has but somehow they're releasing personal information about the woman? That has to be the most absurd and false accusation I've heard today. When you have a public Facebook page then it's public knowledge and not private information. And the woman placed her name on the Facebook page so she's already publically identified herself to anyone that wants to know.

What's really interesting of course is that in spite of the actual evidence that she was unwittingly posting Russian disinformation on her Facebook page she sticks her head in the sand and claims that it didn't happen. Seriously? No one's claiming she promoted Russian propaganda intentionally. She was simply duped by the Russians and she wasn't alone. Of course it's human nature to resist believing that you've been made a fool of but when the evidence is clear it's time to pony up and admit the truth..... something that Trump supporters simply refuse to do in most cases.

But this isn't all that important when it comes to the 37 page Mueller indictment of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election that only addresses the Russians and those Americans that were unwittingly duped by the Russians.

What's important about this indictment is that it establishes the criminal conspiracy by the Russians that's explicitly laid out in the indictment. The claims that the Russian investigation is a "hoax by the Democrats" just went down in a ball of flames.

The indictment also states there are "named and unnamed" Americans that weren't included and that they weren't unwitting participants. Mueller's team has already identified Americans that were knowingly involved with the Russians, some of which they've already revealed to the Grand Jury, but they're not addressed in this indictment that focuses on the Russians. Any American that knowingly worked with or attempted to work with the Russians becomes a co-conspirator in the criminal Russian conspiracy to corrupt our election process in 2016.

Would a willingness to use information (e.g. illegally obtained Democratic emails) that you know is being provided for by Russian intelligence establish the willingness of Americans to conspire with the Russians to corrupt our election process? I'm not a lawyer and can't make a legal call on that but I know that if I was on a jury I might seriously consider that to be evidence of "conspiring with the Russians" to corrupt our election.

And yes, "Conspiring (or attempting to conspire) with the Russians" is "collusion" in case you're wondering.
As soon as it became clear Trump had won the election thousands of protesters took to the streets in an often violent attempt to undermine the election. FNC may or may not have covered the specific Russian backed protest but they didn't ignore the Resistance rioters.

Resistance Democrats have been ranting about how the Russians meddle in our election to help Trump yet the most successful event is an anti Trump demonstration after the election. Hillary and Trump campaigns spent a total of over $80 million purchasing social media ads prior to the election, the Russian boogeymen spent less than $50K. Yet somehow the Russian $50 K , some of it squandered in Democrat strongholds like DC and California is supposed to have turned the election.

Mueller's KGB style witch hunt is desperate to indict someone, anyone as a grandstanding PR stunt. The Russians are a perfect target because they will never answer the charges in court so Mueller's lynch mob can claim massive conspiracy without ever having to face examination of the evidence in court. It is 13 ham sandwich style indictments but the Resistance brays that it is the biggest espionage case since the Rosenberg.
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