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So once again the Trump disiples are far more concerned with the president's fragile ego/image than the Country.
Who said that?

I voted for Candidate Trump out of concern for my country, and the country of my grand children.

Now President Trump may not have been the best option, but he was the only option.

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So are you saying the FBI, the CIA and the NSA are wrong?
We're saying not all 17 intelligence agencies said what liberal conspiracy theorists said.

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So once again the Trump disiples are far more concerned with the president's fragile ego/image than the Country.
Nope, the concern is with the truth. All 17 intelligence agencies didnít conclude the Russians were behind the hacking, that was a lie used to give a false sense of certainty to the partisan witch hunt.

Once again the Trump haters are unconcerned with US intelligence agencies being corrupted into KGB like political actors.
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Another fake news phony scandal story concocted by our dedicated media just interested in reporting the facts.
Not exactly fake news. While only three agencies collected the evidence and information all 17 agencies reviewed the evidence and information and reached the same conclusion.

Where the evidence and information originates is unimportant. What the conclusions are based upon the evidence and information is important.

So yes, all 17 agencies agreed based upon their independent review of the evidence and information so the story is not fake. All 17 intelligence agencies, based upon the evidence and information gathered. agreed on the Russian involvement to influence and corrupt the election to help Donald Trump win.

Nothing fake, just the facts.
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Not exactly fake news. While only three agencies collected the evidence and information all 17 agencies reviewed the evidence and information and reached the same conclusion.

Where the evidence and information originates is unimportant. What the conclusions are based upon the evidence and information is important.

So yes, all 17 agencies agreed based upon their independent review of the evidence and information so the story is not fake. All 17 intelligence agencies, based upon the evidence and information gathered. agreed on the Russian involvement to influence and corrupt the election to help Donald Trump win.

Nothing fake, just the facts.
So that's why the AP "corrected" the story.
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Nope, the concern is with the truth. All 17 intelligence agencies didn’t conclude the Russians were behind the hacking.
Yes they did agree. They independently reviewed the evidence gathered and all of them concluded that the Russians were behind the hacking based upon the evidence and information gathered.

I'm not sure where the belief is that only three agencies collected the information, reached a conclusion without sharing the information for review, and then the senior members of the other 14 agencies magically went into "bobble-head" mode based upon what the three agencies concluded.

That didn't happen and no one is reporting that that happened.
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The FBI/CIA/NSA did the heavy lifting and collected/analyzed the intelligence. No intelligence agency in the 17 member US intelligence community disagreed with the assessment and conclusions presented in the classified report.

No disagreement/objections = consensus. That's how it works and has always worked.
I agree with this 100% because it's a common practice to circulate information and if there's not objection then it's implied concurrence. All 17 agencies reviewed the information and they all agreed with the assessment because none of them raised any objection to the assessment.

Implied concurrence is a practice used to expedite a decision because waiting for written concurrence can cause serious delays simply because someone is thinking about signing or not. The implied concurrence requires a written objection and you can't just sit on it, do nothing, and freeze the process.

In any case it doesn't make a damn bit of difference because the friggin' Russian were engaged in an all-out assault that also included cyberbots circulating false information that slandered Hillary Clinton on the social networks creating a false negative opinion of her

Of course the Russians were competing with the Republicans and Donald Trump on who could produce the most false information to slander Clinton with.

So nothing's changed. The Russians were far more involved than most people think and there's also no doubt that Trump's campaign staff lied about contract with the Russians and continued to cover-up the fact that they occurred until the evidence proved otherwise.

Why did the Trump campaign cover-up contacts with the Russians and why hasn't the Trump White House come out supporting the investigation and turning over any and all information related to the election? Why did Trump lie about the financial dealings with Russia and his corporation that Trump Jr publically stated existed in 2008? Why did Trump want Comey to back off on the Flynn investigation and then later fire Comey that was heading the Russian investigation. Why did Trump tell the Russians the pressure from the investigation was off because he'd fired Comey the day before? Even Trump's refusal to provide his tax returns is highly suspicious because we have wonder if they would expose a financial connection between Trump and Moscow.

Why has the White House been disparaging the investigation and stonewalling at every opportunity?

Russia's involvement in our election is a national security threat and what's coming out of the White House smells like really rotten Kimchi.
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So that's why the AP "corrected" the story.
Shiva is not answering that. No, I don't wonder why either.

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Not exactly fake news. While only three agencies collected the evidence and information all 17 agencies reviewed the evidence and information and reached the same conclusion.

Where the evidence and information originates is unimportant. What the conclusions are based upon the evidence and information is important.

So yes, all 17 agencies agreed based upon their independent review of the evidence and information so the story is not fake. All 17 intelligence agencies, based upon the evidence and information gathered. agreed on the Russian involvement to influence and corrupt the election to help Donald Trump win.

Nothing fake, just the facts.
There is no evidence the other 14 agencies reviewed the reports of the other 3. Do you really expect the Coast Guard intelligence department could veto the report of the CIA, NSA or FBI? That's absurd.

It is important that the Democrats and media toadies issued and repeated the false claim that all 17 intelligence agencies agreed with a report when they didn't. It was important enough for the AP to correct the record but to Trump haters the truth doesn't matter.
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