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I don't know if I would agree that this does not naturally occur in Birmingham.

I DO know that it could be a legal liability for the news service to ask normal gay or lesbian couples to intentionally express affection so that the news crew can ask for reactions. If a couple was attacked, either during the filming or later as a result of the filming, the news service could be held liable in court.

In short, it makes more sense for them to hire actors than to use local couples.

Also asking how someone will react is usually less accurate than creating a scenario and OBSERVING how they will react. Think about it... How many times have people expected that they would react one way in a situation only to find out that their actual reaction was totally different?


I agree that it's probably not all that unusal a thing to see in Birmingham, so it's not creating an "unnatural" event or forcing the issue.

Now, if they were to do that in my little hick town in Wyoming, that might be the case.
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Old 11-06-2007, 01:38 PM
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redd:

"Tell me...What makes a better story?...


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People of Middle Eastern decent get ridiculed and insulted at a NASCAR race today...

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People of Middle Eastern decent were given a warm welcome and fed hotdogs while tailgaiting at a NASCAR race today...

If you say they weren't thinking the former, then you are lying to yourself and the forum..."

Redd--I really disagree with you. There are alot of people who feed off of self-righteous anger and/or hatred in this world to one degree or another. I used to be one of them (the self righteous anger minus the hatred) when I was younger so I've been there, done that and I understand the mind-set.

At this point in my development life has me to the point that I no longer have the desire or energy to sustain unwarranted negativity on my part. Honestly? I would read about one paragraph of the first story, sigh and shake my head. The second story would warm my heart and give me a much needed boost. I'd read it through and thank the powers that be for a bit of hope in a very twisted world.

And I am NOT lying to myself or this forum (and with all due respect I kind of resent that sentence inyour post). It's taken me a pretty sharp path to get to where I am today and I am capable of my own introspection. Other people trying to tell me where I am coming from and what is or is not my truth will more that likely f**k it up.

If I may, It's kind of like another experience I had. It's kind of like a smoker that has never even tried to quit calling someone who has quit successfully a liar if they say they don't experience constant cravings for the rest of their life. Well news flash! I used zyban and I don't.

And I'm not "dog piling"--lol. I'm gonna go play the word game.
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Ok...Since we're playing "dogpile on the original poster", I guess I have to clarify...

Here's why this type of "journalism" is atrocious (And the excuse of "This isn't really a new idea" doesn't excuse it)...

This is NOT a human interest story...If it were, they could've easily gone someplace where the actions of the actors DOES happen naturally instead of playing pretend...

In other words, they are introducing scenarios where scenarios don't naturally occur...

If there are same-sex couples NATURALLY showing affection public in certain places, there'd be no need to hire people and make them perform those same actions...

Therefore, their actions are NOT things that happen in everyday society...So calling it a "human interest" story is crap...

There's no reason to ask "What would you do?"...There may be sometime in the future...then let it come into play when that time comes...

Same thing in the other example I've shown...

NBC was questioning "What would be NASCAR fans' reactions if people of Middle Eastern decent were INTRODUCED to the scene...

They didn't let it come naturally...They FORCED it...

And for anyone to say "Well I'm sure there are people of Middle Eastern decent that DO go to NASCAR races.", the question is simple...

Why didn't NBC take the time to ASK THEM instead of just pretending?...

The answer, of course, is because playing pretend might get them the result they want(with video readily available), which is to have problems and dissent within the NASCAR community (which is what they expected)...

I think you are being very cynical about the news agencies' motivation.

I think that you hit on the real reason when you mentioned the video. I really believe the reason they do a set up is so that they can get the video of the actual reactions. After all, interview shows generally are very boring.

And after the fact when one knows a camera it present, it is a natural tendency for people to try and cast themselves in the best light. But candid video doesn't lie.

But watching the actual reactions of people when they encounter and unusual or provocative situation makes for good television. And I believe this is true whether the subject's reaction provokes outrage or warm fuzzies.

And I agree with the other posters who said that seeing open public affection is probably not all that uncommon in Birmingham. My partner and I recently had occasion to spend a few days in a Birmingham hospital. No one seemed to blink an eye at our relationship.

If ABC really wants to film people reacting badly to gay couples, they should have driven 50 miles in any direction to a small Alabama town. I would be willing to bet they would have gotten plenty of people voicing their outrage and perhaps even some violent behavior. That would certainly have spiced things up!

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It was sarcasm...

The point is that they are trying to CREATE responses instead of just going out for themselves and LOOK FOR responses...

Here's another example of how the media gets people to create situations...

Kudos, NASCAR Nation, for not taking NBC's bait
No, the point is they are reporting on the social climate. I don't see what your panties are in such a bunch about.
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I don't know if I would agree that this does not naturally occur in Birmingham.
I live in Philly and can't think of one example...

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I DO know that it could be a legal liability for the news service to ask normal gay or lesbian couples to intentionally express affection so that the news crew can ask for reactions. If a couple was attacked, either during the filming or later as a result of the filming, the news service could be held liable in court.

In short, it makes more sense for them to hire actors than to use local couples.
Great, Now the legalities are more important than getting a truthful story or occurance...

"We'd LIKE to show reality, but we might get sued, so we'll make it up."...

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Also asking how someone will react is usually less accurate than creating a scenario and OBSERVING how they will react. Think about it... How many times have people expected that they would react one way in a situation only to find out that their actual reaction was totally different?
And that's a social experiment left up to NEWS outlets?...

I could imagine a University study or a survey group...But an ABC affiliate?!?!!?

They could've EASILY done it the "investigative journalistic" way...Just like they do when they catch a company committing fraud, then questioning them on it when they reveal themselves...

Find a REAL occurance (According to you, this could've been done)...

Then have secret cameras around to film both the affection and the reporter not acting like a reporter...Then he(she) walks near a person, stops, and points out the affection and says "What do you think of that?"...

That would get a REAL response instead of shoving a microphone in their face, where you KNOW some people won't tell the truth because they understand that what they say will be on the public airwaves...

You asked a question...

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How many times have people expected that they would react one way in a situation only to find out that their actual reaction was totally different?
And here's my response...

How many times will people LIE and really hate blacks or gays or certain religions, but not say it into a microphone because they'd now be on public record?...

So creating a situation and then forcing people into statements they KNOW are going to be public will not get real answers...

Do you think the Bounty Hunter would've had that same conversation with his son if he KNEW it was going to be public?...

Of course not...
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Great, Now the legalities are more important than getting a truthful story or occurance...

"We'd LIKE to show reality, but we might get sued, so we'll make it up."...

And that's a social experiment left up to NEWS outlets?...
Do you think this is something new? How long have news agencies been doing expose`s? I really don't know what the big deal is here.
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Do you think this is something new?
As I said before, doing something wrong for 15 seconds or 15 years is still wrong...

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How long have news agencies been doing expose`s?
This wasn't an expose...It was a social experiment...

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I really don't know what the big deal is here.
Oh really?...

And what if the actors they hired were told to rip each others clothes off and start massaging each others' crotch so they can get the response THEY want?...What if they had an aganda because the producer hated gay people and purposefully shown the same-sex couple in a bad light so the responses were claims of disgust and negativity?...

I bet you'd have a problem there...

The fact is that the second they used actors, they lost the reality of the situation...a non-natural situation was CREATED...
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Good Lord, Redd, why do you have your panties in such a bunch?

The affiliate probably needed fill time. It happens. If you have an hour long news program to fill, and you have 45 minutes worth of news, what do you do?

Geez, look at some of the 'top headlines' in my town:

WOODTV.com & WOOD TV8 - Grand Rapids news, weather, sports and video - News - Local & Michigan
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As I said before, doing something wrong for 15 seconds or 15 years is still wrong...
Obviously not since there are no laws against it.

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This wasn't an expose...It was a social experiment...
You say tomato, I say tomahto.

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Oh really?...

And what if
We can just stop there because "what if" doesn't really count, now does it?
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I live in Philly and can't think of one example...

Great, Now the legalities are more important than getting a truthful story or occurance...

"We'd LIKE to show reality, but we might get sued, so we'll make it up."...

And that's a social experiment left up to NEWS outlets?...

I could imagine a University study or a survey group...But an ABC affiliate?!?!!?
Dude, the filming was being done for the show PRIMETIME. It falls into the Infortainment category like the show DATELINE. There are more hard hitting pieces and less hard hitting pieces.

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They could've EASILY done it the "investigative journalistic" way...Just like they do when they catch a company committing fraud, then questioning them on it when they reveal themselves...

Find a REAL occurance (According to you, this could've been done)...

Then have secret cameras around to film both the affection and the reporter not acting like a reporter...Then he(she) walks near a person, stops, and points out the affection and says "What do you think of that?"...

That would get a REAL response instead of shoving a microphone in their face, where you KNOW some people won't tell the truth because they understand that what they say will be on the public airwaves...
Reread the article and look at the video on the same subject... You will find that they ARE using hidden cameras and not shoveing mikes in people's faces.

It was FOX that was shoving the mikes in people's faces, not ABC.

I have already outlined why it a news crew might use actors instead of using a couple that is from the area.

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You asked a question...

And here's my response...

How many times will people LIE and really hate blacks or gays or certain religions, but not say it into a microphone because they'd now be on public record?...

So creating a situation and then forcing people into statements they KNOW are going to be public will not get real answers...

Do you think the Bounty Hunter would've had that same conversation with his son if he KNEW it was going to be public?...

Of course not...
Again, reread the aricle, and watch MyFox Birmingham | News Crew Tests Gay, Lesbian Affections You will see that neither article mentions ABC directly asking anyone about their reactions.
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