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Old 07-22-2008, 04:58 PM
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I was just wondering if it was McCains intention to tear in to Obama's essay. Or make his own case? If it was the latter. I have no problem.
I think being that it was a rebuttal piece, he had every right to expose half truths and blatant lies in Obama's op-ed.

The NYT has no credibility when it comes to political objectivity.
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This isn't going to be a very pretty election if media outlets such as the NYTimes continue to blatantly swoon over Obama.
I agree. If this continues, it is going to give the Republicans carte blanch to use every dirty tactic in the book just to combat the media advantage being handed to Obama.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:22 PM
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I think being that it was a rebuttal piece, he had every right to expose half truths and blatant lies in Obama's op-ed.

The NYT has no credibility when it comes to political objectivity.
You have a perfect right to rebut when you are challenged. McCain wasn't being challenged. He just wants to interject some political spin. Obama does not believe that no matter what we are leaving Iraq in 16 months. But I have heard McCain repeat this over and over. If thats his whole show. Just pick at Obama. Thats just what the country is trying to change. McCain would be much smarter to stop whining and wait. Because I am sure that before the election the press will find something to dig at Obama about. And then he can slip ahead. But he is starting to come across as a grumpy old man (My Friends). He should start getting on the reaching across the aisle thing. It would be smarter then going right. If he goes with Romney he'll solidify his base. But he needs to reach out past his base to win. And I don't mean Joe Lieberman.
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What am I missing here???

I have posted the news of a bill sponsored by Obama which effective proves that he has a Socialist agenda.

And you guys are still talking about the Op-Ed piece.

It is over.

Obama has lost.

Don't you get it?

Or am I the one who is missing something here?

Please help me out.
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Old 07-22-2008, 05:50 PM
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What am I missing here???

I have posted the news of a bill sponsored by Obama which effective proves that he has a Socialist agenda.

And you guys are still talking about the Op-Ed piece.

It is over.

Obama has lost.

Don't you get it?

Or am I the one who is missing something here?

Please help me out.
Well here is the thing. When people start throwing around comments like socialist agenda. Or Commie or Nazi or Hitler like some wacky lefties like to call Bush. It just loses its shock value after awhile. Here is the other thing. Lets say he was a socialist. Is the country? Is the congress? I mean he wouldn't be king. He can't do things by decree. So I wouldn't worry too much. If Obama is elected one of 2 things will happen. He will do well and be reelected. Or he will do badly and all of his supports will swear they voted for McCain. But we will survive.
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Well here is the thing. When people start throwing around comments like socialist agenda. Or Commie or Nazi or Hitler like some wacky lefties like to call Bush. It just loses its shock value after awhile. Here is the other thing. Lets say he was a socialist. Is the country? Is the congress? I mean he wouldn't be king. He can't do things by decree. So I wouldn't worry too much. If Obama is elected one of 2 things will happen. He will do well and be reelected. Or he will do badly and all of his supports will swear they voted for McCain. But we will survive.
You really do look at us as though we are sheep.

And the same thing could be said about Jimmy Carter. On a few things, he did well. (I can't recall exactly what they were but I know he did some good things.) There were a few things he did really poorly. And some of those things have had a lasting negative effect on America.

Like the Islamic Republic of Iran.

And that was with a President Carter who was undeniably Christian and undeniably pro-America and had probably always been proud of America and wouldn't knowingly hurt America. And who had no other agenda.

We survived his Presidency but he has left a lasting problem for us that we are still trying to successfully deal with. And there is no assurance that we will achieve a peaceful resolution.

So just think of how much damage ONE 4 year term with a committed Socialist Democrat could do to America.

The LBJ War on Poverty was a dismal failure and now it is being expanded to the rest of the world, at OUR expense.

If a man were to rape a woman and tell her not to worry, it won't be so bad. It will be over in a few moments and you will survive, should she just lie back and enjoy those few seconds?

And when she gives birth nine months later and the child takes on his father's characteristics and mannerisms and behaviors and gets into trouble and leads a life of crime but the mother is spared that heartbreak because the rapist gave her AIDS and she dies before the child turns 15. But in that time is his convicted of several crimes.

A few brief moments were enough to cause two generations or more of misery.

And if you think I am exaggerating, read this:

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The Power of Nightmares (Part One)

[ TITLE: 11pm, JULY 25th 1967 ]

PRESIDENT LYNDON B. JOHNSON: Law and order have broken down in Detroit, Michigan. Pillage, looting, murder…

VO: Only a few years before, President Johnson had promised policies that would create a new and a better world in America. He had called it “the Great Society.”

[ TITLE: President LYNDON JOHNSON, 1964 ]

JOHNSON: The Great Society is in place where every child can find knowledge to enrich his mind. It is a place where the City of Man…

VO: But now, in the wake of some of the worst riots ever seen in America, that dream seemed to have ended in violence and hatred. One prominent liberal journalist called Irving Kristol began to question whether it might actually be the policies themselves that were causing social breakdown.

IRVING KRISTOL: If you had asked any liberal in 1960, we are going to pass these laws, these laws, these laws, and these laws, mentioning all the laws that in fact were passed in the 1960s and ‘70s, would you say crime will go up, drug addiction will go up, illegitimacy will go up, or will they get down? Obviously, everyone would have said, they will get down. And everyone would have been wrong. Now, that’s not something that the liberals have been able to face up to. They’ve had their reforms, and they have led to consequences that they did not expect and they don’t know what to do about.


Transcript - The Power of Nightmares - Part 1
All Obama needs is 4 years to cause untold damage to this country that could affect our grandchildren.

You sound as though you have lived in Marxist/Socialist/Communist countries and support their ideologies.
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And I thought all the time bhkad was a n Obamakin!
Just shows you can't judge a cover by its contents.
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You really do look at us as though we are sheep.

And the same thing could be said about Jimmy Carter. On a few things, he did well. (I can't recall exactly what they were but I know he did some good things.) There were a few things he did really poorly. And some of those things have had a lasting negative effect on America.

Like the Islamic Republic of Iran.

And that was with a President Carter who was undeniably Christian and undeniably pro-America and had probably always been proud of America and wouldn't knowingly hurt America. And who had no other agenda.

We survived his Presidency but he has left a lasting problem for us that we are still trying to successfully deal with. And there is no assurance that we will achieve a peaceful resolution.

So just think of how much damage ONE 4 year term with a committed Socialist Democrat could do to America.

The LBJ War on Poverty was a dismal failure and now it is being expanded to the rest of the world, at OUR expense.

If a man were to rape a woman and tell her not to worry, it won't be so bad. It will be over in a few moments and you will survive, should she just lie back and enjoy those few seconds?

And when she gives birth nine months later and the child takes on his father's characteristics and mannerisms and behaviors and gets into trouble and leads a life of crime but the mother is spared that heartbreak because the rapist gave her AIDS and she dies before the child turns 15. But in that time is his convicted of several crimes.

A few brief moments were enough to cause two generations or more of misery.

And if you think I am exaggerating, read this:



All Obama needs is 4 years to cause untold damage to this country that could affect our grandchildren.

You sound as though you have lived in Marxist/Socialist/Communist countries and support their ideologies.
The thing about predictions is that you don't have to prove them in advance. Obama is very likely to have a good presidency despite the doom and gloom scenarios. Every election we are told that if candidate X is elected the end of America will soon follow. Every election. Without fail, And every time they are wrong. Again, Its hard to get too wound up. Our countries framers figured a pretty good way of not letting things get too out of hand. It seems to work for the most part.
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The thing about predictions is that you don't have to prove them in advance. Obama is very likely to have a good presidency despite the doom and gloom scenarios. Every election we are told that if candidate X is elected the end of America will soon follow. Every election. Without fail, And every time they are wrong. Again, Its hard to get too wound up. Our countries framers figured a pretty good way of not letting things get too out of hand. It seems to work for the most part.
I don't think any single man can destroy the country before we get to get rid of him in 4 years. However, I do think a drastic shift of the pendulum like say from Bush to Obama could be mildly devastating for a lot of Americans. Not to mention that if the cycle develops a trend of pulling back and forth to frequently, stagnation will occur in our progress because neither side will get anything done for all the wrenching back and forth of control that happens.

I can honestly see a schism...a real deep and dividing schism developing in our country if someone like Obama were elected at this point in history. Were we not about to wrap up a war and there is a world struggle going on of at least as much importance as the Cold War and possibly of the same gravity as the Crusades if we aren't careful, I'd say sure...Obama deserves a shot.

But right now, I don't want a man who has run his campaign and draws his support from insighting emotions in people. "Hope" is not a plan.

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