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Old 05-27-2012, 05:29 PM
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The old lie "I support the troops but not their mission" falls part here...It's become "I can't celebrate the troops because I hate what they do, and it might lead to doing more of what they do."...

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes observes Memorial Day weekend: ‘I’m uncomfortable calling fallen soldiers heroes’

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CHRIS HAYES: Thinking today and observing Memorial Day, that’ll be happening tomorrow. Just talked with Lt. Col. Steve Burke [sic, actually Beck], who was a casualty officer with the Marines and had to tell people [inaudible]. Um, I, I, ah, back sorry, um, I think it’s interesting because I think it is very difficult to talk about the war dead and the fallen without invoking valor, without invoking the words “heroes.” Um, and, ah, ah, why do I feel so comfortable [sic] about the word “hero”? I feel comfortable, ah, uncomfortable, about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. Um, and, I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism: hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I’m wrong about that.
For someone who doesn't want to "desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that’s fallen", he sure does a pi$$-poor job of not doing it...

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/chris-ha...ilitary-heroes
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The old lie "I support the troops but not their mission" falls part here...It's become "I can't celebrate the troops because I hate what they do, and it might lead to doing more of what they do."...

MSNBC痴 Chris Hayes observes Memorial Day weekend: 選知 uncomfortable calling fallen soldiers heroes

For someone who doesn't want to "desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that痴 fallen", he sure does a pi$$-poor job of not doing it...

Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes' | MRCTV
Looks like the guy's speech was a little more deliberative than some people think is proper on such a day. Just wave the flag and get off the stage.
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The old lie "I support the troops but not their mission" falls part here...It's become "I can't celebrate the troops because I hate what they do, and it might lead to doing more of what they do."...

MSNBC’s Chris Hayes observes Memorial Day weekend: ‘I’m uncomfortable calling fallen soldiers heroes’

For someone who doesn't want to "desecrate or disrespect memory of anyone that’s fallen", he sure does a pi$$-poor job of not doing it...

Chris Hayes: I'm 'Uncomfortable' Calling Fallen Military 'Heroes' | MRCTV
. . .And MSNBC loses another 10% of its audience to FOX!

In related news, FOX gains 7 new viewers.
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UPDATE: Chris Hayes issued a statement on Monday apologizing for his comments:

On Sunday, in discussing the uses of the word "hero" to describe those members of the armed forces who have given their lives, I don't think I lived up to the standards of rigor, respect and empathy for those affected by the issues we discuss that I've set for myself. I am deeply sorry for that.
As many have rightly pointed out, it's very easy for me, a TV host, to opine about the people who fight our wars, having never dodged a bullet or guarded a post or walked a mile in their boots. Of course, that is true of the overwhelming majority of our nation's citizens as a whole. One of the points made during Sunday's show was just how removed most Americans are from the wars we fight, how small a percentage of our population is asked to shoulder the entire burden and how easy it becomes to never read the names of those who are wounded and fight and die, to not ask questions about the direction of our strategy in Afghanistan, and to assuage our own collective guilt about this disconnect with a pro-forma ritual that we observe briefly before returning to our barbecues.

But in seeking to discuss the civilian-military divide and the social distance between those who fight and those who don't, I ended up reinforcing it, conforming to a stereotype of a removed pundit whose views are not anchored in the very real and very wrenching experience of this long decade of war. And for that I am truly sorry.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1550643.html



His apology seems heartfelt. I am glad to hear the apology because, in my heart, I think anyone that puts their life at risk in our armed forces is uncommonly courageous and has my respect and gratitude.
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Wow, not an "I apologize if anyone was offended" in sight, nice for a change.
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Wow, not an "I apologize if anyone was offended" in sight, nice for a change.
Agreed, he didn't even try to dodge. And he actually made a good point about the BBQ's.
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I agree with what he said initially and I'm sorry he felt the need to apologize for his own opinions and other people's delicate sensibilities when dealing with people who have differing opinions.
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