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Old 01-03-2010, 01:58 PM
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If you think the sources I already mentioned offer no political commentary, you obviously don't understand that political commentary can be made without taking a left or right point of view.
Strawman...I never said that. Political (news) can be given without a left or right view point but political (commentary) cannot be given without without a left or right viewpoint. Like it or not...all of us,especially journalists, have some measure of bias.

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In other words, you don't think someone can comment on politics at all without being biased. In that case you're right, I'm not going to be able to show you anything you are incapable of seeing.
Comment... perhaps a few words yes...but if it turns into political (commentary)...in other words..A Political Opinion Piece..no...bias will eventually come shining through. Nobody has ever shown me a totally unbiased political commentary (article) that was in my view...totally without bias. You mentioned the AP...the AP has been attacked many times on this very site as a biased news agency.

The sad reality is this...I cannot find an unbiased political commentary source that everyone on this site will salute. Finding a source of unbiased commentary remains a never ending challenge...if you find one...please let me know. It would be great to post threads and have all members say..."Wow Spence...that source is fair and balanced"

It's easy to attack members who start threads...the material they select often proves their (own) bias just as much as the source! Members who do not start political threads don't have to worry about those accusations. They are at liberty to attack the messenger,sometimes even more than the message itself.If one leans left...they tend to post items that support their ideology and the same is true of members who lean to the right..it is unlikely that they will start threads supporting leftist ideology.

So let's attack and scrutinize the article itself since we "already" know "why" the messenger posted it.

The article itself is always FAIR GAME...

My search for such a unifying political commentary source continues.

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I believe your final sentence, above, is the most pertinent.
Whether you merely misunderstand my intent, or have chosen to mischaracterize it in order to score some rhetorical points, I cannot say.
I believe my entire statement is the most pertinent.
Don't complain about dissecting if you're going to fixate on one statement to ignore my entire point...

You complain about one aspect being used to ignore the entire message.
I am simply showing you where that leads, and how it can be used against you.

Cause you see, some people don't want to look as to whether or not my actual facts are true here.
They just want to use one aspect, the nature of the source, to ignore the entire issue.

In some circles, we call that "shooting the messenger".


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But my point was not that Media Matters is "comparable to Hitler" in some broad, general sense.
Rather, my point was that there is a valid comparison that is inherently limited in its scope.
More precisely, one would do well to eschew those sources that are not likely to be widely accepted and widely respected. And that includes both the most egregious examples (e.g. Adolf Hitler; Joseph Stalin; Mao Zedong; Pol Pot; et al.) and those that are highly controversial, albeit not at all murderous (e.g. Media Matters; The Huffington Post; Daily Kos; FrontPage Magazine; et al.).
And likewise, we can put on that list sources that are controversial because they make questionable associations, like comparing a media resource to Hitler...

(Try to get my point the second time around.
It's partially tongue in cheek... )

If you're just looking for an excuse to ignore other people's opinions, your stance is noted.
Now how about you recognize mine...
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And likewise, we can put on that list sources that are controversial because they make questionable associations, like comparing a media resource to Hitler...
To reiterate: I did not compare Media Matters to Hitler in a broad, general sense; but I indidcated that sources that are not widely accepted as authoritative (or even as reputable)--including both Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin (a list which I subsequently expanded a bit) should probably be eschewed, if one seriously wishes to persuade others.

Of course, if one wishes only to tweak the sensibilities of others--irrespective of whether there might be any persuasive value attaching to the argument--well, that is quite another matter...
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To reiterate...
Yeah.
You're really not getting my point...

Maybe I should have bold-faced the "And likewise" and "partially tongue in cheek" for emphasis...


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Of course, if one wishes only to tweak the sensibilities of others--irrespective of whether there might be any persuasive value attaching to the argument--well, that is quite another matter...
Funny...
Using "Hitler" and "Stalin" in any type of grouping with "Media Matters" could easily be seen as an attempt at "tweaking the sensibilities...
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I kind of like comparing em to "Hitler before he started the ovens" and Mao before the 70 million died (well many of them did actually suicide).


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