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Old 01-01-2010, 07:51 PM
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Just as there are genuine abortion protesters there are legitimate tea partiers.
And as with the former, the GOP has co-opted a group for its platform.
The elite of the GOP cares no more for the tea party core beliefs than whether a baby is aborted or not.
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Old 01-01-2010, 10:41 PM
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You're just ignoring the whole thing because the source is biased.
If the source is biased, then argue the facts. Do so and cut the bullspit.

No.
I just figured if anybody was interested in the situation, they could see that for themselves.

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See, at this stage you're just proving my point...
If you didn't bother yourself to read the article, don't waste my time with these questions.
Don't post an article of opinion if you aren't agreeing with the opinion and can't entirely support your sheepish opinion with FACT.

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For those who ARE interested, the article clearly states in the OPENING SENTENCES: More than $850,000 of the money the supposedly grassroots PAC collected went to the firm of GOP political operatives who ran it.
So? People contribute to political causes? WTF?? How much is contributed toward the source blog of your rant article?

Answer me that. NOW.

Don't give me this bullspit unless you can answer where it gets it's funding. Hypocrites...

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OPINIONS are an entirely separate issue.
And on that front, it is very dangerous to disregard other people's opinions just cause that person is "partisan"...
No it's not. If you and your cohorts are simply regurgitating opinions, as you are, there's no facts involved.

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Quite frankly, if we were to export that attitude towards others then anybody is justified in ignoring the people on the "right" cause they are "partisan".
Then the people on the "right" can just be ignored, right?
You've totally missed the point.

You and the rest of the wacko lefto swallow whatever you're sold by your messiah and apostles. You're completely out of synch with normal human beings.

[quoteI personally don't work like that.
I don't understand how people can.
By that standard, Limbaugh, Coulter, Glenn Beck, etc, etc, should all have their VOICES ignored...
The FACTS that they comment on would likewise get ignored.[/quote]I personally don't think like YOU do. You have some crazy azzed notion that anyone who doesn't agree with you worships the talking heads on the right. They don't represent me in the least bit. Obviously YOU JUST DON'T GET THIS STILL!

Reasonable people on the right and the left don't consider infomationalist opinionators as a source of NEWS!

You obviously DO.

To me, you're nothing more than a cheerleader. You're incapable of disseminating news on your own and forming your own opinion.

You're a TOOL, and nothing more.


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Michael1...PLEASE post examples of what you would believe to be unbiased political articles! That would help us understand where in the hell you are coming from....
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but isn't the notion that you have to ask me to find them for you ironic?

PBS used to broadcast unbiased news. Once upon a time NPR did too.

They've both gone a little left.

But seriously, if you can't get a news/political article from the major news networks that you deem 'unbiased', it's more a commentary on you than it is on them.

Go to AP at least.

But no, you freaks on the left suckle these days at the teets of extremist web sites for your 'facts'.

CBS, ABC, NBC, ... they're stil not left wing enough for you. You've got to worship at the house of bloggers.

It's beyond pathetic, it's downright DANGEROUS to American society as we know it.

You seem to have fallen into the deep end of the pond and I'm just hoping we can save you before you drown.

In many ways I think of you as a generation lost.

Spence, I think you were once a reasonable man but now am convinced you've been assimilated. You're a drone, you just repeat what you've been told to repeat.
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Or better yet Michael1,
I personnally saw Fox hawking these marches at least 2 weeks before the rally. Are you trying to tell me I didn't see what I saw?

Your position is ridiculous!
I don't watch Fox News. If you have your point of view you're obviously a news junkie.

Got get therapy.

The libs are either much more radical these days or obsessive-compulsive.

You need help. I don't know of many conservatives who watch your favorite shows (Olberman, Mathwews, Comedy Central drivel) who have a compulsion to comment about them.
Like I said, I can watch leftists on network television every night (30 Rock) and never get my panties in an uproar.

Extreme liberal like those here can't say the same about family shows.
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I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but isn't the notion that you have to ask me to find them for you ironic?

PBS used to broadcast unbiased news. Once upon a time NPR did too.

They've both gone a little left.

But seriously, if you can't get a news/political article from the major news networks that you deem 'unbiased', it's more a commentary on you than it is on them

Go to AP at least.

But no, you freaks on the left suckle these days at the teets of extremist web sites for your 'facts'.
My God man you've tried to place the onus on ME...simply ANSWER my question don't evade it. I cannot find an unbiased (political) site or source. I've searched high and low...no need to insult me here.

Once again...and for the last friggen time...PLEASE give us a source for (unbiased) -political- commentary so that we can better understand what you find acceptable or unacceptable...

ANSWER THE QUESTION NOW!

We all want to hear from you and understand you better and why bring my generation into it?..the lost generation??? How bout the new generation,are you more pleased with the way they voted? How bout your generation?

Get off it man and just answer a simple question.

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You and the rest of the wacko lefto swallow whatever you're sold by your messiah and apostles.
Didn't you earlier decry it as some sort of outrage that some right wingers are lumped into swallowing anything that comes from Fox news? What's the difference between them saying that and what you're saying in that quote?
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Yes. The people making the observations are partisan.

Are you attempting to establish a standard whereby partisan people who make observations should automatically have those observations disregarded because the person making that observation is partisan?
I would like a serious answer to that question...

See, I would think that a person should be more concerned over whether the stated facts are true or not.
In theory, the last sentence, above, is surely correct.

But most of us would take offense if, say, the words of Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin were appealed to. It would somehow seem a bit inadequate for one to issue some perfunctory disclaimer ("I really don't agree with everything the author believes"), and then unabashedly quote such scoundrels.

If the observations made by the author are correct, it might be better for one to quote a less tendentious source in that regard.
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Spencer is right.
By definition a "political source" is political so it is opinionated about it's positions. Where problems develop is from the fact that some choose "positions" merely because of what a "group" says instead of first forming their own opinion and then matching that to a small group. It is the attempt to "enlarge" the group with differing opinions to make it more "powerful" that brings in corruption and unsportsmanlike concepts. It is in the excesses of "power acquisition" from which unfair practices arise. The most offensive of which come from "buying" support, "selling" assistance, and giving away false "hopes and dreams".

The left complains about "corporate support" for the right while not seeing that the corporations support BOTH sides. The right complains about "special interest" support to the left while not seeing their "interested groups". Perhaps the ones most transgressed though are the "idealists" who are used and reused both ways.

Perhaps the most "unfair" of all though is the "hidden" financiers. The people hiding behind money to use their money for "extra influence". The few "HUGE" donations stacked against the thousands of small donations. (the left is now thinking "damn right wing big corporations" while not even realizing that just because Obama said that his money came from "small contributions" doesn't make it true.)
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Here I have to TOTALLY CONDEMN the somewhat new practice of "bundling" where some "contributors" make "packages" of money supposedly from a bunch of small contributors and when a campaign is allowed to totally ignore the "bookkeeping" requirements needed for the disclosure of contributors.
The recent Presidential election exemplifies it perfectly and will not be "investigated" AGAIN as it is "over". If it is never even disclosed then how will we ever stop it? I used to think that "EVERYBODY" only wanted everything to be "fair" but have grown to realize that many not only "tolerate" cheating a lot more don't condemn their "team" for doing it and quite a few WILLINGLY PARTICIPATE. The result becomes quite quickly a totally unfair system and all those from tolerate on DOWN are the cause. The problem is that EVERYBODY becomes the VICTIM.
Most offensive of all is how "tax exempt" and "non-profit" organizations are allowed to contribute at all.
Another small point......Just what "business" is a lobbying organization in....what do they "produce" and what is their "service" for them to become so wealthy. Same with politicians themselves. If they "become rich" while in office have they been "serving" their country? It is NOT A CAREER it is supposed to be service. I often think it would be "correct" to totally "suspend" ALL financial transactions of office holders while they are in office (it ain't like their "expense accounts" and privileges don't support them already) and to WATCH them like a hawk for many years after their service.

How did this turn into a "campaign finance" piece?
Oh yeah we were discussing how some people think that media is not allowed to use "populism" to increase it's market.
How if one network gives both sides a chance to speak and the other will not even tolerate the first one to speak that those getting the one-sided view are NEVER the best informed.
Some of them actually think that their networks did NOT SUPPORT any type of protest of any type anytime. SURE they can believe it.
The real problem is that some of these fools actually think that the media should play NO PART in any protest or opposition of government. As long as they are not supporting VIOLENCE it is their actual RESPONSIBILITY to do so. YOUR NETWORK has been "cheating" YOU and not fulfilling their duties.
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My God man you've tried to place the onus on ME...simply ANSWER my question don't evade it. I cannot find an unbiased (political) site or source. I've searched high and low...no need to insult me here.

Once again...and for the last friggen time...PLEASE give us a source for (unbiased) -political- commentary so that we can better understand what you find acceptable or unacceptable...

ANSWER THE QUESTION NOW!

We all want to hear from you and understand you better and why bring my generation into it?..the lost generation??? How bout the new generation,are you more pleased with the way they voted? How bout your generation?

Get off it man and just answer a simple question.

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Heck even as "fair" as Spencer is I couldn't even call him an "un-biased source". Now me.........?surely
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Spencer is right.
By definition a "political source" is political so it is opinionated about it's positions. Where problems develop is from the fact that some choose "positions" merely because of what a "group" says instead of first forming their own opinion and then matching that to a small group.
Oh GOD that is SOOOOOO correct...

May I add that others will also accuse you of having opinions based on groups and not because of your individual thinking also (which I HATE)...

I don't listen to Limbaugh and I don't watch Beck, but it always seems the Left can't get it out of their head that "The Right" can'tt come to conclusions based on their own conclusions and continually say how Rush and Beck are TELLING everyone how to think and they do so like zombies...;rolls
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Oh GOD that is SOOOOOO correct...

May I add that others will also accuse you of having opinions based on groups and not because of your individual thinking also (which I HATE)...

I don't listen to Limbaugh and I don't watch Beck, but it always seems the Left can't get it out of their head that "The Right" can'tt come to conclusions based on their own conclusions and continually say how Rush and Beck are TELLING everyone how to think and they do so like zombies...;rolls
You may be the exception, though.
And face it we tend to gravitate toward people who share our views.
That said, I wish both sides would turn off the commercial media for about two weeks and read or watch only fact based sources. Then maybe we could have sensible conversations.
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