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Does your daughter have a friend or relative to provide her with a guaranteed job? How about an inheritance that includes a job? No, well then she is disadvantaged.

An awful lot of the homeless are that way because they will not give up the booze or drugs a requirement of homeless shelters. There are food banks for those that have a place to live. There are public job banks and internet access is available in the public libraries. Is it easy compared to sleeping in the park and crapping on the sidewalks? Nope, but anybody who has worked a job has had to deal with difficulties as well. People tend to forget that.
so that's how your particular brand of cognitive dissonance works.
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it's a local solution. and a good idea. too bad scardy cats are afraid to view it.
this isolation some on the board encase themselves in is really getting old.
and quite scary.
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that's great.
But just to make it clear what we're talking about. I'll use your comment about your daughter as comparison... in getting a job.
OK.
1. Is your daughter homeless? I suspect not.
2. Does you're daughter have a computer to look up jobs and apply and respond. And name a place of residence on the application..
3. Does she have phone to reply to calls?
4. Does she have decent clothes, shoes, etc. to go to an interview... after she's showered ...at a home?
5. Does she have/pay for reliable transportation to get to a job from her ...home?
6. Having a real bed ...in a home makes it a bit easier to get some rest at night to be a productive worker as well, does she have one?

SO off the top of my head here those are few advantages people with some type of home base, transportation, phone, computers, clothing etc, have in getting all these great jobs that are available.

The way you put it makes it sound like the homeless should just SHOW UP at McDonalds smelling of BO and piss and they'll give them a job on the spot and after 2 weeks they'll be able to afford a decent apartment.

I'm sorry i just don't understand why some folks overlook or minimize the real hurdles the able bodied homeless have to overcome, and throw out the idea that they should "just get a job".
AZWinger beat me to the response, but there are services available in almost every city/town in this country to help a person get a job if they so desire. And as AZ stated, it is much easier to do than to live in a tent on a sidewalk. Sure, she used her conveniences to aid in her job search. But there are also many businesses that you can walk into and apply if need be. All you are doing in your reply is making excuses for people that apparently are not interested it giving up their booze, drugs or whatever to better themselves.
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it's a local solution. and a good idea. too bad scardy cats are afraid to view it.
this isolation some on the board encase themselves in is really getting old.
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I don't believe anyone is "afraid" to view your video. We just have better things to do rather than watch yet another Salty drive by posted video. If you wish to debate a topic, summarize your video in your post along with the video and make your points.
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Default Re: Albuquerque mayor: Hereís a crazy idea, letís give homeless people jobs

Many services available... yes... varies from city to city. But here's the thing I see from many on the right. They disparage and mock all attempts to setup these services... like the one of this thread. Rather than promote them or talk about the good aspects. As if they are all useless because there's assumptions of laziness or worse of the homeless across the board. And all public or private efforts are wasted in help.
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Many services available... yes... varies from city to city. But here's the thing I see from many on the right. They disparage and mock all attempts to setup these services... like the one of this thread. Rather than promote them or talk about the good aspects. As if they are all useless because there's assumptions of laziness or worse of the homeless across the board. And all public or private efforts are wasted in help.
I applaud people who do their best to help those in need. Unfortunately, uncoordinated efforts quite often fail because of lack of knowledge, or volunteers, or funds.

Unfortunately, attempting to employ those who are homeless, do come with a set of issues that even the best volunteer can't fix. The will and the drive necessary.

An address: Many shelters will permit people to use their street address for a mailing address.

Internet access: Libraries provide not only the computer, but internet access, along with daily newspapers.

Clothing: I donate, and shop at the local Goodwill. There is some really nice clothing people give away, there have been some with tags still on them. Churches also have rummage sales from their congregations.

Not all of your list can be fixed, but there are work arounds if one is determined enough.

Side note, I am aware of at least 3 homeless people that work for this company. I'm sure I could find out how they deal with it.
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I finally got around to viewing at least part of Salty's video. From what I gather, these are not jobs, nor are the participants employees.

5 hours a couple days a week. paid in cash, show up on the corner if you feel like it. This is nothing new. Every city of any size has a corner where people needing a couple bucks and people needing a truck unloaded congregate and work out a temporary cash deal for a few hours work.

To me, as an ex employer, a job means showing up at 8:00 each morning, doing the necessary work, and receiving a check at the end of the week with the expectation of both parties that the process will continue next Monday.

This program does nothing to instill a job mentality. At best it puts 45 bucks of walk around money in the hands of a few homeless.
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Many services available... yes... varies from city to city. But here's the thing I see from many on the right. They disparage and mock all attempts to setup these services... like the one of this thread. Rather than promote them or talk about the good aspects. As if they are all useless because there's assumptions of laziness or worse of the homeless across the board. And all public or private efforts are wasted in help.
To point out examples of the dismay failures is not to disparage the concept of the OP. My "disparagement first focused on the reality that this is Not a New idea.

The rate of success is found at a low percentage. At the same time,the rate of fraud employed by these programs is a high percentage.

Poverty and homelessness is not solved with bags of free money. Or the creation of set aside jobs. It requires a comprehensive approach to fix what is broken in the minds and hearts of the homeless. Just "giving" them a job won't fix that problem.
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I don't believe anyone is "afraid" to view your video. We just have better things to do rather than watch yet another Salty drive by posted video. If you wish to debate a topic, summarize your video in your post along with the video and make your points.
yet you have plenty of free time to criticize facts you haven't even availed yourself of. isn't that the height of stupidity?
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I finally got around to viewing at least part of Salty's video. From what I gather, these are not jobs, nor are the participants employees.

5 hours a couple days a week. paid in cash, show up on the corner if you feel like it. This is nothing new. Every city of any size has a corner where people needing a couple bucks and people needing a truck unloaded congregate and work out a temporary cash deal for a few hours work.

To me, as an ex employer, a job means showing up at 8:00 each morning, doing the necessary work, and receiving a check at the end of the week with the expectation of both parties that the process will continue next Monday.

This program does nothing to instill a job mentality. At best it puts 45 bucks of walk around money in the hands of a few homeless.
being homeless is not like starting from the bottom yet having a roof. many dynamics come into play and they multiply the longer you've been on the street. be that as it may doesn't that money do good? yes it does. isn't that our intent? it should be.
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