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Virginia first lady under fire for handing cotton to African American students on mansion tour

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A Virginia state employee has complained that her eighth-grade daughter was upset during a tour of the historic governor’s residence when first lady Pam Northam handed raw cotton to her and another African American child and asked them to imagine being enslaved and having to pick the crop.
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The Virginia First Lady's response...

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As First Lady, I have worked over the course of the last year to begin telling the full story of the Executive Mansion, which has mainly centered on Virginia's governors. The Historic Kitchen should be a feature of Executive Mansion tours, and I believe it does a disservice to Virginians to omit the stories of the enslaved people who lived and worked there--that's why I have been engaged in an effort to thoughtfully and honestly share this important story since I arrived in Richmond.

I have provided the same educational tour to Executive Mansion visitors over the last few months and used a variety of artifacts and agricultural crops with the intention of illustrating a painful period of Virginia history. I regret that I have upset anyone.

I am still committed to chronicling the important history of the Historic Kitchen, and will continue to engage historians and experts on the best way to do so in the future.
I'm inclined to believe no offense was given, and the cotton was part of actual historical reality...In other words, she believes touchy subjects SHOULD be discussed and explored, instead of shying away from them and being silent about it...
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She could have been really offensive and handed them a welfare check, then asked them how it felt to still be enslaved.
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So, you would rather she only gave the cotton to the white kids? Or that she deny history and say it didn't happen. Or that she didn't provide them with any tangible reminder of the tour? Seriously... if it's you, what's the answer?

Edit: Also what's up with posting articles that are behind a paywall. I'm willing to read the articles, but I'm not giving a rag like them a dime of my money.
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well ya know it could have been completely innocent but...

I heard that at the historical WW2 tour she gave yellow star patches to the little Jewish children.... And train tickets to "housing camps" to the little Japanese American children...
And at the another historical tour she gave the little native American kids some broken treaties for lands, hunting and fishing rights.
so they all could have something tangible to learn about history.
Just for teaching purposes... that's legit right?...


and I think when she met one of Martian Luther Kings daughter's and one of JFKs family she gave them a hand full of bullets... you know ... history.
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The Virginia First Lady's response...

I'm inclined to believe no offense was given, and the cotton was part of actual historical reality...In other words, she believes touchy subjects SHOULD be discussed and explored, instead of shying away from them and being silent about it...
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Before a huge fireplace with iron cooking implements, Pam Northam held up samples of cotton and tobacco to a group of about 20 children and described the enslaved workers who picked it.

“Mrs. Northam then asked these three pages (the only African American pages in the program) if they could imagine what it must have been like to pick cotton all day,” Walker wrote. “I can not for the life of me understand why the first lady would single out the African American pages for this — or — why she would ask them such an insensitive question.”
It's like this, redd, if she didn't mean offense then she is just an idiot.
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It's like this, redd, if she didn't mean offense then she is just an idiot.
Slavery and it's legacy is the cherished legacy of Democrat politicians seeking to keep the black vote supporting them. Yet it's said to be offensive when a white Democrat asks black kids to imagine the horror of slavery.

Some 150 years after the end of slavery it is wrong to assume only black children can imagine the horror of slavery. But it is perfectly aligned with the Democrats identity politics. A few years ago a candidate for the DNC chair stated to applause that her job would be to shut white people up when they attempted to speak on black issues. That injunction now appears to have been extended to imagining slavery.
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Slavery and it's legacy is the cherished legacy of Democrat politicians seeking to keep the black vote supporting them. Yet it's said to be offensive when a white Democrat asks black kids to imagine the horror of slavery.

Some 150 years after the end of slavery it is wrong to assume only black children can imagine the horror of slavery. But it is perfectly aligned with the Democrats identity politics. A few years ago a candidate for the DNC chair stated to applause that her job would be to shut white people up when they attempted to speak on black issues. That injunction now appears to have been extended to imagining slavery.
you have to admit it was pretty damned dumb.
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you have to admit it was pretty damned dumb.
i don't want to put words in people's mouth's but it seems like part of what AZ and others are saying is that blacks shouldn't be offended at anything people do that seems like it's making them seem like a slave... or imagine what it's like to be a slave today. Even though some white people of both parties have historically and on up to the present date have been guilty of and or ignore covert and overt racism.

It'd be to much to admit that MAYBE what she did was a bit insensitive. And MAYBE it's was presumptuous to assume that Blacks ... even children... are not VERY aware of slavery in the US.. And that MAYBE Blacks might not want to imagine being a slave when the white governor's wife ask them to. That MAYBE they rather imagine being the Governor or a Doctor.

Personally, I'm not sure why anyone ...much less an authority figure ... would randomly specifically ask any American Black kids to imagine being slaves, or ask Jewish kids to imagine being in a concentration camp, or ask Native American kids to imagine being on the trail to tears. Heck, or ask descendants of General Custer to Imagine being surrounded and shot full of arrows.
Seems to me that anyone with any decent level human and cultural sensitivity, who could imagine how it might make that kid feel, might think twice before asking that type of thing.


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But again for the record, Blacks are WELL aware of our collective history concerning slavery in the U.S.. And many have heard family history past down from great.. grand parents who were slaves. That portion of Black history is not something that most Blacks from a young age have not "imagined".

Learning more history is one thing, but being decent human being about presenting it to mixed crowds is another.
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