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California's state and local governments are under the absolute control of Democrats producing the largest number of poor of any state in the union, the biggest population of illegal aliens and an exodus of businesses to other states to avoid excessive taxes and regulations but it's all Russian funny business.

You mean the 5th largest economy in the world? A state that pays more in federal taxes than it receives so that they can subsidize poor right wing states who wish they could compete with liberal California. Yeah, I'm sure it's just a terrible place.


I'm sorry you've been duped by Russian propoganda. Not everyone has the intellectual honesty to admit they were wrong about something.
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California's state and local governments are under the absolute control of Democrats producing the largest number of poor of any state in the union, the biggest population of illegal aliens and an exodus of businesses to other states to avoid excessive taxes and regulations but it's all Russian funny business.
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You mean the 5th largest economy in the world? A state that pays more in federal taxes than it receives so that they can subsidize poor right wing states who wish they could compete with liberal California. Yeah, I'm sure it's just a terrible place.


I'm sorry you've been duped by Russian propoganda. Not everyone has the intellectual honesty to admit they were wrong about something.
Nope...

I fully understand the easy route and just make stuff up to create your own personal reality, but this is REAL reality...

This is quite a few places, but I'll use a local California news outlet from just a few months ago...

California leads the nation — in poverty

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One in five Californians live in poverty, according to a new U.S. Census Bureau report.

Using the Supplemental Poverty Measure, which accounts for regional cost-of-living, the average poverty rate in California from 2014 through 2016 stood at 20.4 percent, the highest among the states and second only to the District of Columbia’s 21 percent average. The national average over that period of time was 14.7 percent.

Despite boasting one of the largest economies in the world, California has consistently topped national rankings of poverty. While the state only accounts for about 12 percent of the national population, for example, Californians comprise one-third of Temporary Assistance for Needy Families beneficiaries.

One of the largest factors driving California’s shamefully high poverty rates is the high cost of housing.

According to a draft report on the housing crisis by the California Department of Housing and Community Development, “production averaged less than 80,000 new homes annually over the last 10 years, and ongoing production continues to fall far below the projected need of 180,000 additional homes annually.”

As a result, homeownership rates are at the lowest they’ve been since the 1940s, as increasing proportions of renters find themselves rent-burdened. According to the California Budget & Policy Center, more than half of renter households pay more than 30 percent of their incomes for housing, and one-third pay more than half of their incomes for housing.

This situation, which also contributes to California’s unfortunate distinction of being home to approximately 22 percent of the nation’s homeless population, has imposed significant hardships on millions of people across the state, and exacerbated California’s high poverty rate.
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Nope...

I fully understand the easy route and just make stuff up to create your own personal reality, but this is REAL reality...

This is quite a few places, but I'll use a local California news outlet from just a few months ago...

California leads the nation — in poverty
Hey redd I'm glad you are just now catching on to the huge income inequality in America. I'm sure it's all the evil liberals fault tho right?
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Hey redd I'm glad you are just now catching on to the huge income inequality in America. I'm sure it's all the evil liberals fault tho right?
So your take-away, is worrying about what someone else makes, for doing a different job with different responsibilities.

Do you believe that the government should step in and regulate wages? Issue a law that says for X job, the pay should be Y? That no one should be able to get a merit raise, all increases should be fixed and and given at particular times?

What about the small businessman (currently) who has invested their time, money, energy and imagination into creating a new enterprise, should they be told that they are not entitled to the value of that investment, even though they have 100% risk invested?

That no one may have a home, or car, or food, or personal goods worth more than another person? After all, that would be 'inequity' also....

Perhaps Russia, or North Korea would be to your liking then.....
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So your take-away, is worrying about what someone else makes, for doing a different job with different responsibilities.

Do you believe that the government should step in and regulate wages? Issue a law that says for X job, the pay should be Y? That no one should be able to get a merit raise, all increases should be fixed and and given at particular times?

What about the small businessman (currently) who has invested their time, money, energy and imagination into creating a new enterprise, should they be told that they are not entitled to the value of that investment, even though they have 100% risk invested?

That no one may have a home, or car, or food, or personal goods worth more than another person? After all, that would be 'inequity' also....

Perhaps Russia, or North Korea would be to your liking then.....
I don't know about all that bulls*it you're talking about here but I do know the wealthiest one percent made 82% of the global wealth last year. And there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
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I don't know about all that bulls*it you're talking about here but I do know the wealthiest one percent made 82% of the global wealth last year. And there is something fundamentally wrong with that.
It takes money to make money. Anyone with $5 to spare, can invest. There's all sorts of ways - I remember this from when I started looking at investing:

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So, people who are currently 'wealthy', should be prevented from creating any more wealth for themselves, is that what you are saying?

Please be specific how that would work, and the impact on the economy in general, I'm interested in learning.
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It takes money to make money. Anyone with $5 to spare, can invest. There's all sorts of ways - I remember this from when I started looking at investing:

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So, people who are currently 'wealthy', should be prevented from creating any more wealth for themselves, is that what you are saying?

Please be specific how that would work, and the impact on the economy in general, I'm interested in learning.
I don't know why you keep creating these strawman. you should know by now I aint playing your games.

btw, while the top 1% took 82% of all new wealth last year, the Bottom Half Got Zero. A new billionaire was created every two days last year and now, just 42 individuals own as much wealth as the world's poorest 3.7 billion people.
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I don't know why you keep creating these strawman. you should know by now I aint playing your games.

btw, while the top 1% took 82% of all new wealth last year, the Bottom Half Got Zero. A new billionaire was created every two days last year and now, just 42 individuals own as much wealth as the world's poorest 3.7 billion people.
You would do well to think about the questions GottaGo is asking in that it may answer your questions. However, I don't believe you are interested in the truth, you just want to rail against those that disagree with your point of view due to your "feelings" about such issues. In that case, there is nothing that one could tell you that will rationalize your feelings.
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You would do well to think about the questions GottaGo is asking in that it may answer your questions. However, I don't believe you are interested in the truth, you just want to rail against those that disagree with your point of view due to your "feelings" about such issues. In that case, there is nothing that one could tell you that will rationalize your feelings.

Gotta go isn't asking questions, he's framing a partisan narrative in a way that makes it impossible for anyone to honestly discuss anything with him without first wading through a mine field of loaded accusations. I'm not interested in bull**** posturing, I'm just sharing my opinions on things, I'm not assuming I know yours before you even talk.
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Gotta go isn't asking questions, he's framing a partisan narrative in a way that makes it impossible for anyone to honestly discuss anything with him without first wading through a mine field of loaded accusations. I'm not interested in bull**** posturing, I'm just sharing my opinions on things, I'm not assuming I know yours before you even talk.
Yes she was asking questions about your beliefs of the role of government in the distribution of wealth that you eluded to in your post were you rail against some people having more wealth than others. You seem to advocate for a government that prevents that. She was simply trying to clarify your stance to understand what your argument is.
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