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But let me ask you something.
Is it funny how some on the right will fight so hard to uphold the "law" when it suits their needs (i.e. sanctuary cities) but will disregard it in cases like the Christian bakery violating the law?
The "fine" this turd handed down had no trial...No conviction...No due process...

Just one person in an appointed position unilaterally handing down a "fine"...
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Since you obviously don't know my opinion on sanctuary cities, let me tell you.
I oppose them.

Hopefully that helped...



But let me ask you something.
Is it funny how some on the right will fight so hard to uphold the "law" when it suits their needs (i.e. sanctuary cities) but will disregard it in cases like the Christian bakery violating the law?

Oh wait. Not so funny when you realize that cuts both ways, eh?

Should I hold my breath for your reply?
The left (as in, 'some on') does that shlt also.
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I think the biggest issue here is that a single politician was able to destroy all sense of community and cause such division over his own hubris around diminishing the rights of a business owner to do business according to his moral and ethical preferences. Sure, it's a shame the bakery owners couldn't separate their own religious views from their interaction with the community but the real tragedy is the escalation of conflict over something that really was not that important to start with. There are so many people with parts in this conflict it's mind numbing. It also speaks to the mindset of terminal uniqueness and pathological self centeredness of our culture.

Because groups of people had to put their personalities before their values and sought their validation through invalidating their peers, a business has shut down, a community is divided and political tension is up. None of this is a winning situation.
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Having many relatives in Oregon, I can tell you for many what he did to those people was a large part of it. You are right in that he had other strikes against him, but the bakery was certainly part of it.
Then they also know that to be elected statewide you have to carry very liberal Portland or at least make it close enough to negate its voting power in the state, and if it was about the cake portland would have came out in force Brad Avakian. The eastern part of the state don't matter none unless the republican candidate can cut into Portland, and social issues will never do it.
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The "fine" this turd handed down had no trial...No conviction...No due process...
Just one person in an appointed position unilaterally handing down a "fine"...
That triggered a conciliation process between the two parties to see if a settlement could be reached. The Kleins and the state, acting on the women's behalf, could not agree, so the case went before Alan McCullough, a BOLI administrative law judge.
Sweet Cakes final order: Gresham bakery must pay $135,000 for denying service to same-sex couple | OregonLive.com


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I can't speak for the rest of the "right" but I can give you my position. The bakery was a private business, developed, owned and financed with private money.
Isn't it the right-wing mentality that the states get to make their own laws?


It's funny how the right doesn't byatch and mewl when it's Christians who benefit and not gays...
The Final Order notes that the non-economic damages are consistent with the agency’s previous orders, such as an earlier ruling against a Bend dentist In the Matter of Andrew W. Engle. In that case, BOLI awarded a Christian employee $325,000 in damages for physical, mental and emotion suffering due to religious discrimination and harassment.
Bakery Ordered to Pay $135K in Damages to Same-Sex Couple : snopes.com
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That triggered a conciliation process between the two parties to see if a settlement could be reached. The Kleins and the state, acting on the women's behalf, could not agree, so the case went before Alan McCullough, a BOLI administrative law judge.
Sweet Cakes final order: Gresham bakery must pay $135,000 for denying service to same-sex couple | OregonLive.com



Isn't it the right-wing mentality that the states get to make their own laws?


It's funny how the right doesn't byatch and mewl when it's Christians who benefit and not gays...
The Final Order notes that the non-economic damages are consistent with the agency’s previous orders, such as an earlier ruling against a Bend dentist In the Matter of Andrew W. Engle. In that case, BOLI awarded a Christian employee $325,000 in damages for physical, mental and emotion suffering due to religious discrimination and harassment.
Bakery Ordered to Pay $135K in Damages to Same-Sex Couple : snopes.com
You all do realize this isn't the topic right, also that those of you that don't live in Oregon care more about that damned cake then we do. As an Oregon resident if you don't like our state laws don't move here we do't want you anyway. We like our beaches being 100% public, our cities force to seek urban renewal instead of urban sprawl, and no customer being discriminated against for your "heart felt beliefs" no matter how hateful they might be.

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The Final Order notes that the non-economic damages are consistent with the agency’s previous orders, such as an earlier ruling against a Bend dentist In the Matter of Andrew W. Engle.
Clearly there are issues on both side of this fence. Oregon’s actions in handing out fines in the amounts that they did indicates how deeply political correctness and liberal influence has forced itself into the lives of the people that actually pay the bills. Neither of these cases deserved the amounts of damages that were awarded. The real damage, which has not been addressed, is to those of us who take the challenge to start a business and expect we will have the right to run it without undue government intervention and BS regulation.
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I think the biggest issue here is that a single politician was able to destroy all sense of community and cause such division over his own hubris around diminishing the rights of a business owner to do business according to his moral and ethical preferences. Sure, it's a shame the bakery owners couldn't separate their own religious views from their interaction with the community but the real tragedy is the escalation of conflict over something that really was not that important to start with. There are so many people with parts in this conflict it's mind numbing. It also speaks to the mindset of terminal uniqueness and pathological self centeredness of our culture.

Because groups of people had to put their personalities before their values and sought their validation through invalidating their peers, a business has shut down, a community is divided and political tension is up. None of this is a winning situation.
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You all do realize this isn't the topic right, also that those of you that don't live in Oregon care more about that damned cake then we do. As an Oregon resident if you don't like our state laws don't move here we do't want you anyway. We like our beaches being 100% public, our cities force to seek urban renewal instead of urban sprawl, and no customer being discriminated against for your "heart felt beliefs" no matter how hateful they might be.



It's a standard thing after an election for some people to try to credit the win / blame the loss on one solitary issue.
Like they can magically know the mind of over a million point five voters who voted for / against him (or for / against another candidate) and pretend it all boils down to one solitary issue.



If there were an election poll afterwards asking voters the main reason why they voted as they did in that election, THAT would have some credence.
Right-wingers trying to read minds and pretend it boils down to one issue?
That's just propaganda...
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It's a standard thing after an election for some people to try to credit the win / blame the loss on one solitary issue.
Like they can magically know the mind of over a million point five voters who voted for / against him (or for / against another candidate) and pretend it all boils down to one solitary issue.



If there were an election poll afterwards asking voters the main reason why they voted as they did in that election, THAT would have some credence.
Right-wingers trying to read minds and pretend it boils down to one issue?
That's just propaganda...
I kind of agree with you on that one. The thing that gets me is that this election was just weird. Trump, in no sane dimension, should have won that election. Plus, he's going in with a majority house and senate for his party. I'm thinking this election result wasn't about any issue or even the candidate: it was about disgruntled voters choosing change over anything else. Any kind of change.

I don't get that concept, myself. But I can't rationalize this any other way.

On this topic, I kind of agree with Mellon as well. I remember in Alaska, we didn't bat an eye at stuff that was blown up over Sarah Palin. The nation and the local population often have widely differing opinions on a given topic. What might not be seen as a big deal to people closer to the issue can often be dramatized in the name of a "cause" at the national news level.
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