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If one of the officers did grab the guy by the shoulder as stated by family then that is just crazy.

this even made TYT

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No idea who TYT is other than these two are Idiots!

They don't know squat, and probably on their currant trajectory in life they are never going to know anything pertaining to the new story, or life for that matter...

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No idea who TYT is other than these two are Idiots!

They don't know squat, and probably on their currant trajectory in life they are never going to know anything pertaining to the new story, or life for that matter...

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the video shows how city folk view the whole subject. did you read the family's account? very different from original story. its back a couple of posts
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Of course I read the family account you posted. It is by far the more believable of the two accounts.

As a man who's been around cattle all my life, I have to wonder about an injured Bull (Male with is nuts intact, ment for breeding cows to produce off spring, called calves for you city folks ) Who would be feeling up for a fight with a broken leg and perhaps more... Those little .40S&W auto's would not put one down, with out a point blank head shot. A pissed of bull can take a lot of lead, and still keep going.. I wonder if they did a post of the bull (Translation for city folk- Autopsy ) of the bull, how many police rounds they would find, and how the officers accounted for the shots they fired. What I am getting at is they may have shot the Bull, and that is what pissed him off.

My bet is the two Cops are lying dip sh1ts now using the badge to protect them from capital murder..

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Of course I read the family account you posted. It is by far the more believable of the two accounts.

As a man who's been around cattle all my life, I have to wonder about an injured Bull (Male with is nuts intact, ment for breeding cows to produce off spring, called calves for you city folks ) Who would be feeling up for a fight with a broken leg and perhaps more... Those little .40S&W auto's would not put one down, with out a point blank head shot. A pissed of bull can take a lot of lead, and still keep going.. I wonder if they did a post of the bull (Translation for city folk- Autopsy ) of the bull, how many police rounds they would find, and how the officers accounted for the shots they fired. What I am getting at is they may have shot the Bull, and that is what pissed him off.

My bet is the two Cops are lying dip sh1ts now using the badge to protect them from capital murder..

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if the family's account is true, I hope the officers are heavily insured.
The comments on nat'l news and even locally have been spiced with idiocy calling for 'an end to this outdated open range law'
I try to tell them that is mostly liability placement/doesn't mean the cattle are roaming free w/o fencing. But there is a lot of fence and it's a huge job keeping it intact. But animals do get out in the road including elk and moose. so these crackers better take the hint and corral their driving time to when there is optimal viewing (not foggy, or dusky) and moderate speed and for goodness sakes pay attention when on these rural roads.

a lot of new people moved here when they desecrated hells canyon...er I mean built tamarak resort.
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It is under investigation. The sheriff called for that investigation.
All shootings by police officers are investigated to my knowledge so this is nothing new.

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All ranchers and most everyone else in this area carries a gun, but the rancher was notified by dispatch his bull was out/there was a car accident. The gun should not have caused a blink.
Apparently they're "whites carrying guns" because even unarmed blacks are considered dangerous and a threat to law enforcement officers.

Of course if simply carrying a firearm doesn't cause alarm then the rancher obviously did something like pointing it at the officers that did cause alarm resulting in the LEO shooting the rancher. Everyone with even the slightest knowledge of firearms knows to never point it in the direction of another person unless you intend to shoot them. Was the rancher unaware of this simple safety precaution when dealing with law enforcement?

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The way I'm thinking Yanis might have thought he would have to put the bull down.
Of course the argument that the rancher was going to shoot the bull which is why he took the rifle out of his truck is pure poppycock. Armed law enforcement decided to shoot the bull because it represented a significant danger to the public after already causing one accident and by being uncontrollable.

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It's a sad case and the family is being prayed for. The community (of 800) has raised over 6,000 dollars over one day so I think this guy was a respected member there. He was a former cowboy and logger who was still called to consult on tree falls by the forest service.
His wife is upgraded from critical to serious and still at St Al's Hospt. She has something called "broken heart syndrome".

also a crisis management team has been called in due to death threats and stuff at the police dept. Very emotional/stressful time for all.
I also have compassion for the family but the fact is that the rancher was irresponsible for allowing the bull to get free to cause an accident and it was stupid for him to confront law enforcement with firearm.

When law enforcement shoots and kills someone with a firearm it's justifiable in 99% of all cases but when law enforcement shoots and kills an unarmed person it's not justifiable in 99% of the cases. I'm concerned with the unjustified shooting and killing of unarmed people and not the justifiable shooting and killing of armed people by law enforcement.
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All shootings by police officers are investigated to my knowledge so this is nothing new.



Apparently they're "whites carrying guns" because even unarmed blacks are considered dangerous and a threat to law enforcement officers.

Of course if simply carrying a firearm doesn't cause alarm then the rancher obviously did something like pointing it at the officers that did cause alarm resulting in the LEO shooting the rancher. Everyone with even the slightest knowledge of firearms knows to never point it in the direction of another person unless you intend to shoot them. Was the rancher unaware of this simple safety precaution when dealing with law enforcement?



Of course the argument that the rancher was going to shoot the bull which is why he took the rifle out of his truck is pure poppycock. Armed law enforcement decided to shoot the bull because it represented a significant danger to the public after already causing one accident and by being uncontrollable.



I also have compassion for the family but the fact is that the rancher was irresponsible for allowing the bull to get free to cause an accident and it was stupid for him to confront law enforcement with firearm.

When law enforcement shoots and kills someone with a firearm it's justifiable in 99% of all cases but when law enforcement shoots and kills an unarmed person it's not justifiable in 99% of the cases. I'm concerned with the unjustified shooting and killing of unarmed people and not the justifiable shooting and killing of armed people by law enforcement.
read my update/family telling of the incident.
no the driver of the car must be aware there are not only cattle that may break fence but also other large and smaller animals as well. Liability for the accident is already set by law. That isn't the issue. It sounds like the responding officers are not from around here.
sounds like they had 'training'. training that bled them of every smidgen of common sense if they had any in the first place.
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COUNCIL, Idaho — The results of a months-long Idaho State Police investigation into an officer-involved shooting that resulted in the death of an Adams County rancher has been handed over to the Idaho Attorney General’s Office.

Council rancher Jack Yantis, 62, was shot and killed by two Adams County sheriff’s deputies Nov. 1 after he arrived to the scene where one of his bulls had been hit and injured by a car.

According to the ISP, Yantis arrived as the deputies were poised to put down the agitated animal. Gunfire ensued. Yantis died at the scene, and a deputy sustained a minor injury, according to police.

Ranchers and others in the area have protested the incident.

The fact that most livestock owners in that area have responded to similar incidents is unnerving, said rancher Ken Downey, who was a neighbor of Yantis.

“He didn’t deserve to die,” Downey said. “That could have been any of us.”
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The officers, deputies Brian Wood and Cody Roland, have been on paid administrative leave since the shooting.

Downey said he and others in the community who believe police acted improperly in the incident don’t have a lot of faith that the officers will be charged.

Yantis’ brother, Ralph Yantis, said the family has been advised by lawyers not to speak to the media about the incident for now.

Downey said there are about 30 ranchers in the community “and I’m certain all of the ranchers support the Yantis (family),”

Todd Dvorak, a spokesman for the Attorney General’s Office, promised a thorough review of the evidence by the office, which is acting as a special prosecutor.

Dvorak said there is no time line for when a decision will be made on whether to charge anyone.

“We’re going to take our time and review this. It’s important to be careful and thorough,” he said.

According to an ISP news release, detectives interviewed 40 people over the past fourth months, many of them multiple times. They also sent 28 items of evidence to four different laboratories for forensics analysis.


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The incident has divided the county, with some people supporting law enforcement and the rest siding with the Yantis family and other ranchers who believe Yantis might have been wrongfully killed.

“It’s definitely created a wedge in the community,” said Sheriff Ryan Zollman. “It’s been a rough road.”

While some people have criticized the lack of information released about the incident, Zollman said the department has chosen not to give out bits and pieces.

“When we have everything, we will give it out,” he said.

The Capital Press requested and received an incident time line from the sheriff’s office that provides basic details of the shooting.

The report shows the first call came to dispatchers at 6:43 p.m.

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At 7:10 p.m., an officer noted that a “Black Angus bull has been injured and it’s not very happy.”

At 7:22 p.m., dispatch received a call that said, “The bull is getting more and more agitated.” The person who made that call asked if Yantis had been called.

At 7:27 p.m., dispatch received calls from Roland and Wood saying that a shot had been fired and that the owner of the bull had been shot.

“The owner has been shot and is going to die,” a 7:35 p.m. call said.
Wonder if they were aiming at the bull when they shot Yantis
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I didn't see a separate story on acquittal but it is mentioned in this article

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Newly released records from the state investigation of a rancher’s shooting by two Adams County sheriff’s deputies show that both deputies had been disciplined for behavior in previous jobs, and one had been fired.
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Brian S. Wood and Cody W. Roland have been on leave with pay at the Adams County Sheriff’s Office since Jack Yantis was killed the night of Nov. 1 on U.S. 95 next to his ranch north of Council. Last week, state and federal prosecutors decided not to file homicide or civil rights charges against them, saying the evidence was too weak to overcome reasonable doubt.
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After a vehicle collided with one of Yantis’ bulls, Yantis went to the highway to euthanize the animal with his rifle. Wood and Roland say Yantis disobeyed their commands, pointed the rifle at one of them and fired, so they returned fire. Yantis was shot 12 times.
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Yantis’ widow and nephew said Yantis did not threaten the deputies with his rifle, and the deputies killed him needlessly.
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The shooting is the highest-profile police-involved shooting in Idaho in recent years, and it drew national attention. After nine months, Attorney General Lawrence Wasden and the Idaho State Police released investigative records Friday.
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Among them are documents showing that Wood was investigated twice and fired from his previous job as a McCall police officer after he poached an elk. Roland was investigated four times by the Valley County Sheriff’s Office before he resigned.
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Wood, 32, started his first law enforcement job, as a McCall police officer, in February 2010. Less than two years later he was fired.
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According to an Idaho State Police report, the McCall Police Department began an internal investigation of Wood after learning he was under investigation by Idaho Fish and Game for killing an elk without a valid tag in Valley County.
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Fish and Game, acting on a tip, cited Wood on Nov. 7, 2011, with three misdemeanors. Wood first pleaded not guilty but changed his plea to guilty to two of the three charges: unlawfully possessing wildlife and having no game-hunting tag. The third charge, wasting wildlife, was dismissed.
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The judge ordered Wood to pay a $1,050 fine and to complete 200 hours of community service. His hunting license was suspended for three years. In May 2013, the judge issued a withheld judgment, meaning the guilty plea was withdrawn and the case dismissed.
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Meanwhile, the city of McCall wrote Wood a letter saying it intended to terminate his employment. Wood wrote back, asking not to be fired. He said he was wrong to shoot the elk, but he thought he had a valid tag for the zone. Wood said he actually had a tag for another zone, while a friend with whom he usually hunts had the tag for the McCall zone.
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When Wood shot the spike elk — a young male with unbranched antlers — near his McCall home, he was hunting alone.
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McCall’s investigation found that Wood violated several hunting-related laws, two police department policies — conduct unbecoming and failure to maintain level of moral conduct — and a city policy prohibiting employees from engaging in criminal conduct. He was fired Nov. 30, 2011.
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Wood’s firing led Idaho Peace Officer and Standards Training, a division of the Idaho State Police, to begin an investigation to determine whether Wood should be decertified. All local and state law enforcement officers in Idaho must be certified through POST.
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Jerry Summers was McCall’s police chief when Wood worked there.
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“I received a call from the POST decertification investigator questioning comments that were made and truthfulness by Mr. Wood,” Summers told the Statesman this week, declining to be more specific. “I provided additional documentation to that investigator and said that if, in his estimation, the officer was being untruthful, that my recommendation would be to decertify the officer.”
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After McCall fired him, Wood took construction jobs and other nonpolice work. On Oct. 4, 2012, he filed a a tort claim against the Idaho State Police and Jim Tibbs, a POST investigator and veteran police officer who then sat on the Boise City Council and is now an Ada County commissioner.

The claim — which Idaho law requires before anyone sues a state or local agency — alleged that Tibbs and “other unknown agents … were involved in the unlawful dissemination of information gleaned from a confidential interview between Investigator Tibbs and Mr. Wood.”

Ten weeks after that, POST dismissed the decertification investigation. Tibbs declined to comment. The Statesman has a request pending with POST for documents about the investigation.
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Woods returned to law enforcement in June 2013 when Sheriff Ryan Zollman of neighboring Adams County hired him as a part-time marine deputy. Wood became a full-time deputy that September.

Zollman told the Statesman that he did not know then that Wood had been investigated by POST or that McCall had fired him. Summers, who was no longer McCall’s police chief, said Zollman did not contact him for a reference or background check.

Zollman said July 29 that both deputies want to return to work. “They have to be psychologically cleared,” he said. “That is a standard protocol throughout all law enforcement ... It will be weeks before that decision is made.”
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Another incident occurred several months before the poaching violation. A 78-year-old McCall man, Rodney Whaley, accused Wood of using excessive force during a July 6, 2011, traffic stop for speeding. Whaley sued McCall in federal court and received a $14,500 settlement. Wood was not disciplined for that, according to ISP.

On June 30, 2015, Wood was placed on probation for four months for repeatedly submitting late reports. That probation would have ended on or around Nov. 1 — the day Yantis was shot.

Wood did not respond to repeated requests for comments.
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Roland, 38, has worked for six Idaho law enforcement agencies since 2000, including the sheriff’s offices of Adams, Canyon and Valley counties and the Gooding, Parma and Wilder police departments. Roland told the Statesman that he also worked in Basra, Iraq, for military defense contractor DynCorp International from 2008 to 2010. Zollman hired him as a patrol deputy in August 2014.

An ISP report said four incidents in Roland’s tenure in Valley County from 2005 to 2012 resulted in investigations or discipline:

1. On Jan. 12, 2007, after a complaint from a motorist, Roland was counseled for his attitude during a traffic stop. The ISP report provided no details. Roland told the Statesman he does not recall the specific incident, but the statement is correct.

2. On May 14, 2008, Roland received a letter of reprimand and was placed on probation for one year for conduct unbecoming, which stemmed from an off-duty incident. The ISP report provided no details. Roland declined to provide details but said he was not demoted.
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3. In March 2010, an internal investigation was started against Roland after a confidential informant provided information to members of the Valley County-area narcotics task force. The ISP report provided no details about this, either, and neither did Roland.

Roland told the Statesman he was questioned and then later told that the matter had been dropped.

“I never did figure out what that was about,” he said. “I never knew there was an (internal) investigation.”

4. In December 2011, the Idaho POST Academy told Valley County Sheriff Patti Bolen that there were inconsistencies on Roland’s POST and employment applications about his military service.

In a 2001 job application, Roland said he served in the military and received a general discharge under honorable conditions. In a 2011 application, he said he did not serve in the military. POST told Bolen that Roland actually had received an “uncharacterized/entry-level separation.”
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That typically means an enlisted person served fewer than 180 days and the commander did not have enough time to evaluate the person’s conduct and performance.

Roland resigned before Bolen could address the application inconsistencies with him, Valley County Undersheriff John Coombs told ISP.

Roland told the Statesman the inconsistencies stem from a military paperwork error.

“When I was 18, right out of high school, I received a waiver for a hearing loss to join the military,” he said. “Once I received the waiver, it took approximately one year, that waiver was rescinded, and I was unable to join the Navy. I was issued a DD214 form.”
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A DD214 form is issued to anyone enlisted in the military who leaves the military. It indicates length of service and reason for departure.

When completing employment applications, Roland said, he indicated he served in the military. Later, he said he learned he should not have received a DD214 form because he never actually served in the military and he could not state that he had. So he no longer put it on his applications.

Roland said he does not remember whether the DD214 said his separation was a general discharge or an uncharacterized entry-level separation.

“Given the information I had at the time, I was being truthful,” he said.

The Valley County Sheriff’s Office declined comment on Roland’s employment.
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It is a personnel matter, said Sgt. Jason Speer.
I'd fire them on the basis of lying on their applications
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I'd fire them on the basis of lying on their applications
If the cops really shot somebody they should not have,, why hasn't BLM intervened with demonstrations and riots? They haven't said a word about it. So I guess this shooting was Okay then?
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