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Old 11-04-2015, 01:22 PM
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I was referring to the bull...
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I think dash cams (and inevitably body cams) for police are a must.

Considering this situation, there will undoubtedly be a lawsuit.
If the police officers were justified, the cameras would save them a LOT in attorney and court costs as it would cut down on the arguing of who did what.
If the police officers were not justified, then the cameras would help show that quickly too and an out of court settlement could be quickly determined.

Obviously that's simplistic. But there would be many ways they would eliminate the b.s. out of a situation each years.
cant disagree with any of that. just its kind of sad its come to that that in our little corner of the world the police are gong to have to carry such equipment.
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Old 11-04-2015, 03:14 PM
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Having had experience with just this sort of thing, I think the LEO's are in some very hot water here...

If the bull was not injured enough to be frisky with the LEO's they should have left him alone.. My bet is they did not. My bet is the decided he was too close for their comfort, and they decided to try and drive him away, and it back fired badly...

The owner came with a rife, just in case he had to put his prized and yes expensive range bull down..

But the dumb fuq's had or were in the process of doing in the bull, before the owner could see him, or worse the owner had determined there was not a reason for putting the bull down, except these prissy boys in uniforms were "scared" of the bull...

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First and foremost the owner failed to properly confine the animal in the first place because the bull was on the road and caused an accident (that could have killed someone).

Next is the fact that law enforcement is mandated with the responsibility to protect the public safety first and foremost in these situation. They have to either remove the bull from the highway or kill it because it had already established that it represented a threat to the public safety.

Finally, regardless of why the owner of the bull had a rifle, to threaten the officers in any manner with a firearm was pure stupidity because the officers will respond with deadly force if threatened with deadly force.

Time to blame the owner because the owner of the bull was solely responsible for all that followed including his own death.
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First and foremost the owner failed to properly confine the animal in the first place because the bull was on the road and caused an accident (that could have killed someone).

Next is the fact that law enforcement is mandated with the responsibility to protect the public safety first and foremost in these situation. They have to either remove the bull from the highway or kill it because it had already established that it represented a threat to the public safety.

Finally, regardless of why the owner of the bull had a rifle, to threaten the officers in any manner with a firearm was pure stupidity because the officers will respond with deadly force if threatened with deadly force.

Time to blame the owner because the owner of the bull was solely responsible for all that followed including his own death.
It is under investigation. The sheriff called for that investigation. All ranchers and most everyone else in this area carries a gun, but the rancher was notified by dispatch his bull was out/there was a car accident. The gun should not have caused a blink.
The way I'm thinking Yanis might have thought he would have to put the bull down.
It's a sad case and the family is being prayed for. The community (of 800) has raised over 6,000 dollars over one day so I think this guy was a respected member there. He was a former cowboy and logger who was still called to consult on tree falls by the forest service.
His wife is upgraded from critical to serious and still at St Al's Hospt. She has something called "broken heart syndrome".

also a crisis management team has been called in due to death threats and stuff at the police dept. Very emotional/stressful time for all.
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First and foremost the owner failed to properly confine the animal in the first place because the bull was on the road and caused an accident (that could have killed someone).

Next is the fact that law enforcement is mandated with the responsibility to protect the public safety first and foremost in these situation. They have to either remove the bull from the highway or kill it because it had already established that it represented a threat to the public safety.

Finally, regardless of why the owner of the bull had a rifle, to threaten the officers in any manner with a firearm was pure stupidity because the officers will respond with deadly force if threatened with deadly force.

Time to blame the owner because the owner of the bull was solely responsible for all that followed including his own death.
You must be a city boy...

You have no idea how the "real" world works. Damn glad you live very far away from my area..

Cops are just people. When they and the public elevate them to "can do no wrong status", we all loose. You aren't wise enough to understand that. They are not special, or protected, just people like the rest of us.

They killed a man, a lawful and respected man. And you are totally on their side.

Stay away from here, please. Your kind are not welcome nor wanted out here in the country side..

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well the police ain't talkin yet but there were others at the scene
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The family’s version of events begins with Yantis being informed of the accident around 6:45 p.m. An Adams County dispatcher told the rancher he’d have to go down to the highway and put down his 2,500-pound black Gelbvieh bull, whose leg was injured by the crash and who was becoming agitated. As Yantis was making the necessary arrangements to take care of the animal, the deputies began shooting at the bull, but failed to kill it, instead reportedly hitting it in the gut, prolonging its misery and causing the bull to become even more distressed.
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Yantis finally got his .204-caliber rifle and stood about 2 feet from the bull, prepared to shoot it when “one cop turned around and grabbed [Yantis’] shoulder and jerked him backward,” according to Paradis. The rifle’s barrel was still pointed at the ground at this point, the family contends, though Paradis does allow that the gun may have fired, perhaps accidentally. A deputy said later that he had been grazed by a bullet, according to a family friend also present, who contends he didn’t see any “blood,” “torn thread” or “powder burn.” The official statement on the incident also alleges that one of the deputies suffered a minor injury.

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That discharge prompted the deputies to turn their guns on Yantis, shooting him in the chest and abdomen, ultimately killing him, the family said. When Donna and Paradis approached Yantis, the deputies “threw us on the middle of Highway 95, searched us and handcuffed us, and wouldn’t let us go take care of Jack,” Donna said. Paradis said one of the deputies pointed a gun at his head.
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During the incident, Donna suffered a heart attack. She was in critical condition for several days before being upgraded to serious.

The bull was left to bleed out on the road, and police ignored their pleas to humanely kill the animal, the family said
the officers were wearing body cameras though we don't yet know if they were turned on. there was a dash cam that was not on.

Rancher 'needlessly' shot by police in bull incident, family says | Fox News

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If the police are not talking yet, then these ass hat officers need the rest of their pitiful lives in jail for killing an innocent man.

They are circling the wagons in the name of the blue code of silence...

F'ing law enforcement types that think they are God when they put on their badges..

What they don't understand is how with out the support of the public for law's they can do little to enforce them.. That is, they must have the help of the public to be effective. With out that, well they are just plain out numbered and irrelevant. If LEO's don't understand this concept, they should never put on a badge. They work for the public, they shouldn't kill them..

I hope they get life in prison, and made examples of..

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First and foremost the owner failed to properly confine the animal in the first place because the bull was on the road and caused an accident (that could have killed someone).

Next is the fact that law enforcement is mandated with the responsibility to protect the public safety first and foremost in these situation. They have to either remove the bull from the highway or kill it because it had already established that it represented a threat to the public safety.

Finally, regardless of why the owner of the bull had a rifle, to threaten the officers in any manner with a firearm was pure stupidity because the officers will respond with deadly force if threatened with deadly force.

Time to blame the owner because the owner of the bull was solely responsible for all that followed including his own death.
You may want to back away from the computer long enough to look up the principle of "open range". The rancher had fences but bulls do jump fences.
The rancher is not to be faulted because the bull managed to get out. When you drive ranch roads avoiding live stock is YOUR responsibility. That the rancher was carrying a rifle is to be expected. He was prepared to dispatch the animal if HE (the owner) determined it necessary. As he prepared to do just that his back was turned to the officers. They were not threatened.

There must be a lot more to this story than is being reported.
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Old 11-09-2015, 08:28 AM
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It might be risky to land a medical helicopter at the scene with a frisky bull hanging around. The priority was the injured motorists but it looks like some bad decisions were made.
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