Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > Political Forums > Local Politics
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Local Politics Discuss Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law at the Political Forums; Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law Only a day after Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe’s veto of a strict voter ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 11:48 AM
Spencer Collins's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: East Of Eden
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,095
Thanks: 17,326
Thanked 11,509 Times in 7,557 Posts
Default Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Quote:
Only a day after Arkansas Governor Mike Beebe’s veto of a strict voter ID law, Virginia’s Republican Governor Bob McDonnell signed into law Tuesday the second major change to voting requirements in just over a year.

The bill shrinks the list of acceptable forms of identification a voter can use to cast a ballot starting in 2014. The law eliminates the use of a utility bill, pay stub, bank statement, government check or Social Security card as acceptable identification, leaving only drivers licenses, voter ID cards, student IDs, and concealed handgun permits.

Republicans insist the measure will help prevent voter fraud and improve the integrity of election, although according to an exhaustive study from News 21, there has been only one case of voter fraud in Virginia that would have been prevented by an ID requirement since 2000.

Democrats have blasted the legislation as voter suppression, comparing it to Jim Crow-era tactics designed to stop minorities from voting. A recent study found that minority youth voters were dis-proportionally impacted by voter ID laws in the 2012 election.

The new law provides for a free valid ID with the bearer’s photo to any registered voter who lacks one, although in some cases elligible voters lack the documents needed to receive that card in the first place, which can be costly to obtain.

As he signed the legislation, McDonnell directed the State Board of Elections to start a public education program to inform voters of the new requirements, the second costly voter reeducation campaign in as many years.

The new law will be subject to approval from the Department of Justice since Virginia is covered by Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act. The future of Section 5 hangs in the balance as the Supreme Court prepares a ruling on its constitutionality, but even if it is overturned, civil rights groups would likely challenge the new ID law in courts.

Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law ? MSNBC
Another state supporting Voter ID..
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Spencer Collins For This Useful Post:
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 12:14 PM
Surly's Avatar
Scholar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Midwest
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,158
Thanks: 629
Thanked 711 Times in 545 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

I have no problem requiring voter ID. As long as the default position is to allow people to vote if they have no ID with them. Then vigorusly prosecute anyone that does vote illegally.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Surly For This Useful Post:
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 12:32 PM
Spencer Collins's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: East Of Eden
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,095
Thanks: 17,326
Thanked 11,509 Times in 7,557 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surly View Post
I have no problem requiring voter ID. As long as the default position is to allow people to vote if they have no ID with them. Then vigorusly prosecute anyone that does vote illegally.
That's the way it is in my state,we have voter ID requirements but you can still vote without it. The ballot is held pending proper identification.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 01:54 PM
joec's Avatar
Master
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Russell Springs, Kentucky
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,857
Thanks: 64
Thanked 1,228 Times in 863 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

When I started voting in Florida you only needed to register to vote and have your card when you showed up to vote. Now that I'm in Kentucky they require either a state ID or Driver's license and you must have a social security card to get either or a pay check stub with your name and number on it. You must also show proof of residence such as rent payments, copy of lease or utility bills in your name. After the first time it isn't asked for again.
__________________
Joe

I used to be Apathetic. But Now I Just Don't Care.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 01:57 PM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,291
Thanks: 6,030
Thanked 8,052 Times in 5,527 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surly View Post
I have no problem requiring voter ID. As long as the default position is to allow people to vote if they have no ID with them. Then vigorusly prosecute anyone that does vote illegally.
So you support voter ID laws, but don't want to enfore them??? Am I misunderstanding what you said??
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 02:02 PM
Surly's Avatar
Scholar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Midwest
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,158
Thanks: 629
Thanked 711 Times in 545 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Yes you aer misunderstanding. I think voter ID should be requried. If Mrs Jones shows up without her ID fine. Let her vote. But take a picture of her or her fingerprints or some one there knows her etc, but follow up on every voter that does not have ID. Then, if it turns out she was voting illegally, arrest her and prosecute her fully. It is a felony. After few are fully prosecuted, if it really was a problem, it would stop. By the way, I dont beleive voter fraud is a problem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
So you support voter ID laws, but don't want to enfore them??? Am I misunderstanding what you said??
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 02:14 PM
faithful_servant's Avatar
PW Enlightenment
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Beautiful conservative Central Oregon
Gender: Male
Posts: 19,291
Thanks: 6,030
Thanked 8,052 Times in 5,527 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surly View Post
Yes you aer misunderstanding. I think voter ID should be requried. If Mrs Jones shows up without her ID fine. Let her vote. But take a picture of her or her fingerprints or some one there knows her etc, but follow up on every voter that does not have ID. Then, if it turns out she was voting illegally, arrest her and prosecute her fully. It is a felony. After few are fully prosecuted, if it really was a problem, it would stop. By the way, I dont beleive voter fraud is a problem.
A simpler solution is to require ID when registering to vote, instead of when voting. Of course, in Oregon we have VOTE BY MAIL <she's new here, so I have to inform her about the best voting system in the world>, so voter ID can only be used when registering to vote.

Voter fraud isn't seen as a problem because we have no way of identifying when it happens. It could be near zero or it could be 25%, but we have no way of knowing which it is. If you want to vote mutliple times. it's a piece of cake to do and there's no way of knowing if you did or not.
Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to faithful_servant For This Useful Post:
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 03-26-2013, 03:48 PM
jamesrage's Avatar
Counselor
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: A place where common sense still exist.
Gender: Male
Posts: 901
Thanks: 453
Thanked 407 Times in 274 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spencer Collins View Post
Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law



Another state supporting Voter ID..
I think the voter ID laws should be stricter than that.Acceptable ID should be a state issued driver's license or ID that has a photo. Illegals and other non-citizens can attend colleges and therefore get school IDs. Voter registration cards are just printed on card stock, nor does it have a photo and last I check you can go online and register to vote. Doing a goggle search it looks like Virginia's concealed handgun permit does not have a photo on it.According to the example I saw it does require that a photo ID be accompanied with it,so it seems kind of redundant to add concealed handgun permit to the list
__________________
"There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”—Theodore Roosevelt
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to jamesrage For This Useful Post:
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 03-27-2013, 07:53 AM
Conservative Sage
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 8,556
Thanks: 2,937
Thanked 3,340 Times in 2,270 Posts
Send a message via ICQ to AZRWinger
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

It is interesting to see many of the same people opposing voter ID as "vote suppression" advocate all sorts of government bureaucratic hoops for gun owners. Some rights are to be exercised with virtually no restriction while the 2A must be regulated into an ornament. Senator Feinstein erupted in an angry diatribe when Senator Cruz asked her about this inconsistency. The voter ID as suppression crowd lauded her for it.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 03-27-2013, 08:30 AM
Oftencold's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 16,649
Thanks: 9,800
Thanked 8,023 Times in 5,217 Posts
Default Re: Virginia Governor signs strict voter ID law

Quote:
Originally Posted by Surly View Post
I have no problem requiring voter ID. As long as the default position is to allow people to vote if they have no ID with them. Then vigorusly prosecute anyone that does vote illegally.
Um, then why not allow people to buy liquor and prescriptions meds with no ID, so long as they promise to provide it when they sober up?

I'm not sure how we ever came to a place in our republic where we wanted to encourage wastrels, vagabonds, and dysfunctionals to vote.

Most people don't seem to grasp that voting is an exercise in power, and that just maybe it shouldn't be tolerated in people that you wouldn't trust to be in a dark alley alone with.
__________________
“Quod scripsi, scripsi"

╠═════════════════════════════════════╣

“Serpent's breath, charm of death and life, thy omen of making!”
Or if you're a traditionalist,
“Anál nathrach, orth’ bháis’s bethad, do chél dénmha!”
And children, say it like you mean it!

╠═════════════════════════════════════╣
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Oftencold For This Useful Post:
Reply

Tags
governor, law, signs, strict, virginia, voter

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0