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"John Oliver explains how the Sackler family has been handling lawsuits related to the opioid crisis, how hard they’ve been fighting to defend their name, and why you should judge the situation for yourself."

I found this interesting. It's interspersed with sarcasm and slap stick, of course.
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"John Oliver explains how the Sackler family has been handling lawsuits related to the opioid crisis, how hard they’ve been fighting to defend their name, and why you should judge the situation for yourself."

I found this interesting. It's interspersed with sarcasm and slap stick, of course.
What are your thoughts?
highlight of the piece Oliver shows a real PurdueCompany Oxycontin theme version of the song "Shout". where "SHOUT" is replaced with the words "SELL!" at a Purdue drug rep sales meeting. the VP of Sales joins the corporate singer in with the last "SELLLL!!!" a real sales meeting. encouraging the troops.
Gives you a glimpse at the level of care Purdue/Sacklers had about medicine.

Oliver, for background, shows how the Slackers family played an on hands role in the PUSHING of drugs. But THE COMPANY "Purdue", is the entity that plead guilty to "Defrauding Federal regulators" , "paying kickbacks to Doctors" and more.

The rest of the piece touches on several of the Slackers and their lawyers going above and beyond to cover the ASSets of the Slacker Family 6 ways to Sunday... the Slackers even preemptively transferred Billions out the Corporate/Purdue name into their private hands.... WHILE the Opioid crisis was at riding high and they kept the initial suits at bay from the Company. All the while trying to say they had no way of knowing and denying personal responsibility.

So the Purdue company is pleading guilty, declaring bankruptcy and making settlements but
the Sacklers walk away with billions.
This is why you call big biz people master criminals and street level drug pushers and gangs amateurs.
I'm not surprised at all.
seems like the settlements are starting to get bigger but the corporate veil/shield is powerful.

God is just, even when the courts are not, there will be justice.
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Salt, here's another thing to consider about this.

Various Pharmaceuticals have helped millions but cases like this have to be honestly reviewed.

You see how not just the Slackers were involved in this horror show.
Other pharmaceutical companies also were involved for over a decade.
And it took well over 10 years for the industry as a whole to admit the problems.
All were FDA approved drugs.
All were Doctor prescribed drugs.

Shouldn't the facts here give everyone pause for moment.
And have them take a 2nd, 3rd and 4th look at any drugs. Especially new ones, that are highly promoted, have high profit margins, even have BILLIONS in free advertising from the MSM? And a campaign of Social pressures that's like NOTHING for any other drugs in our lifetime?
And Salt each of the Pharmaceutical companies that have produced vaccines already have 100% blanket immunity from lawsuit.
From most nations around the world.

Should we all just be grateful and STHU?
Or is asking a few questions and making our own decisions still a reasonable option in the light of the... umm... checkered... history of the Pharmaceutical industry?

Seems to me it's not even close to crazy to question the short and long term effects of any new drug. Judge the risk/benefit for ourselves.
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Salt, here's another thing to consider about this.

Various Pharmaceuticals have helped millions but cases like this have to be honestly reviewed.

You see how not just the Slackers were involved in this horror show.
Other pharmaceutical companies also were involved for over a decade.
And it took well over 10 years for the industry as a whole to admit the problems.
All were FDA approved drugs.
All were Doctor prescribed drugs.

Shouldn't the facts here give everyone pause for moment.
And have them take a 2nd, 3rd and 4th look at any drugs. Especially new ones, that are highly promoted, have high profit margins, even have BILLIONS in free advertising from the MSM? And a campaign of Social pressures that's like NOTHING for any other drugs in our lifetime?
And Salt each of the Pharmaceutical companies that have produced vaccines already have 100% blanket immunity from lawsuit.
From most nations around the world.

Should we all just be grateful and STHU?
Or is asking a few questions and making our own decisions still a reasonable option in the light of the... umm... checkered... history of the Pharmaceutical industry?

Seems to me it's not even close to crazy to question the short and long term effects of any new drug. Judge the risk/benefit for ourselves.
A couple of things here I want to mention.
First is it a surprise the Afghan war is finally winding down the same time period that the jig is completely up on opioids and the knowledge that OxyContin is an opioid and not just a synthetic. Actually the synthetics have to start out with a measured unit of the actual drug?
Second, the CDC and the world health orgs did not push oxy.
Three:
You're following the wrong conspiracy theory. Follow the one that adds up. As in $$$$
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A couple of things here I want to mention.
First is it a surprise the Afghan war is finally winding down the same time period that the jig is completely up on opioids and the knowledge that OxyContin is an opioid and not just a synthetic. Actually the synthetics have to start out with a measured unit of the actual drug?
Second, the CDC and the world health orgs did not push oxy.
Three:
You're following the wrong conspiracy theory. Follow the one that adds up. As in $$$$
Cha-ching!
Sigh,
what Conspiracy do you imagine I have Salt.
you posted this story.
is it a "conspiracy"?

Researchers in the 1990s that looked at Oxy and the history of opioids in the world did foresee a major problem but were shouted down by Drug companies, and others and reassured it would be a great relief to many. Now some of the initial medical supporters deeply regret their enthusiasm.

But Add to that the FACT that the FDA opend the door

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Ed Thompson - former Drug company exec : The root cause of this epidemic is the FDA's illegal approval of opioids for the treatment of chronic pain.
Bill Whitaker -60 minutes : The FDA ignited this opioid crisis?

Ed Thompson: Without question, they start the fire.

Ed Thompson told us when the top selling opioid, Oxycontin, was first approved in 1995, it was based on science that only showed it safe and effective when used "short-term." But in 2001, pressured by Big Pharma and pain sufferers, the FDA made a fateful decision and, with no new science to back it up, expanded the use of Oxycontin to just about anyone with chronic ailments like arthritis and back pain.

The FDA did it by simply changing a few words on the label, that lengthy insert no one ever reads. Today the label says the powerful pain pills are effective for "daily, around-the-clock, long-term… treatment." And that small label change made a big change in the way drug companies would market all opioids, allowing them to sell more and more pills at higher and higher doses.

Ed Thompson: A drug's label is the single most important document for that product. It determines whether somebody can make $10 million or a billion dollars.

Bill Whitaker: How so?

Ed Thompson: Because it allows you to then promote the drug based on the labeling.

Ed Thompson owns PMRS, a successful Pennsylvania pharmaceutical company that manufactures drugs for Big Pharma. It's made him a rich man. But now he's putting his livelihood at risk. He's doing what no other drug maker has ever done, he's suing the FDA in federal court to force it to follow the science and limit the opioid label to short term use...

...Brandeis professor Dr. Andrew Kolodny is one of the country's most-recognized addiction specialists and has been an expert witness in litigation against Big Pharma, including Purdue, the maker of Oxycontin. He has been trying to get the FDA label changed since 2011 to make clear opioids are not for everyone.

To understand how this began we traveled to this small courthouse in Welch, West Virginia, where we uncovered the minutes of secret meetings in 2001 between Purdue Pharma and the FDA. The files were part of the state's lawsuit against Purdue for deceitful marketing.
60 Minutes got a court order to obtain these documents. They reveal it was at those secret meetings the FDA bowed to Purdue Pharma's demands to ignore the lack of scientific data, and changed the label to, "around the clock…for an extended period of time.''

Ed Thompson: I can't think of anything more harmful taking place that took place then. It opened the floodgates. It was the decision of no return for the FDA.

Purdue told us Oxycontin always was approved for long-term use. But an internal document shows the company was jubilant about the labeling change. Quote: "The action by the FDA…has created enormous opportunities" to expand the market. The drug company's ads soon extolled the virtues of Oxycontin's effectiveness and sales tripled.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/opioid-...is-60-minutes/
So the FDA was also a party to the problem of the Opioid Crisis. Should we call the GOV'T a CONSPIRATOR?
That's a matter a language and motive. I don't really care that much the FACT is FDA played a roll in the problem as well as Big Pharma.
And anyone with a a bit of common sense should consider if this could happen again.
Is the FDA somehow Immune to this problem... they are just under pressure to save the world.
Is the CDC somehow Immune to this problem... they are just under pressure to save the world.

As far $$$ money goes. All the vaccine makers are MAKING BILLIONS off the vaccines with gov't contracts world wide. Some multi year Contracts. And unlike the Sacklers they ALL have multinational guaranteed immunity from lawsuits. That kind of money has never tempted anyone I'm sure. Nothing to look for here no one would dare cut corners etc.. "Trust the science."
Also People like Bill Gates, with $$$ ties to pharmaceutical companies, has worked hard to REFUSE to allow generic versions of the vaccines to be made. ...For the good of the world no doubt. It's crazy to question his motives I'm sure Salt. you've worked with good people and know better than to suspect anyone would do less than the right thing.
C'mon salt.
No one's saying EVERYONE is trying to do us in.
But there are real questions to be asked. in the case of Oxycontin the question the FDA fudged was about the research and use.

Is it crazy to ask the SAME question about the research about the vaccines and use? Can we get a strait answer? or will we be told to "trust the science."
Sadly Conspiracies or simply Corporate Influence is somewhat common place in the pharmaceutical industry.
But as i said before, pharmaceutical companies have created a LOT of great products and i'll take whatever i think make sense based on my doctors and my own recommendation.

But i won't be pressured or shamed into taking anything.
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CBS News Report on the $$$ Conflict of interest in those giving Vaccine safety reassurances



nothing to consider here... people are all good.
police are all good...
and Big Pharma never hurt nobody for money.
people should just TRUST and not think about crazy CONSPIRACIES... unless CNN says it's ok to
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