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How Camden, N.J. disbanded and rebuilt its police department
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"As calls to defund and disband the police grow, former Camden County Police Chief Scott Thomson discusses how Camden, N.J. disbanded and rebuilt its police force in 2013"

Every member of the Camden Police dept was fired.
They had a Crime rate higher than 3rd world countries.
and the Police union blocked every change.

They Rebuilt the police force with Community policing policies and culture.
Murder reduced by 70%
Violent crime reduced by 46%
Police harassment complaints reduction of 95%
Body Cameras on all police.

Training in Deescalation prior to using force....
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This could be a model for other departments to follow. Perhaps instead of defunding police departments, some of the cities could look to Camden for ideas on reforming their own departments. Addressing police unions would be a good first step.
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This could be a model for other departments to follow. Perhaps instead of defunding police departments, some of the cities could look to Camden for ideas on reforming their own departments. Addressing police unions would be a good first step.
Unfortunately democrats tend to kiss the asses of unions.
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And now the truth...

Cities Like Camden, New Jersey Show The Dangers of Defunding Police

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In reality, the police abolition movement will result in the police being replaced with other agents of order. Camden, NJ did experiment with this idea by getting rid of their entire police force and switching to the county police force, who then hired most of those same officers at a lower rate. Many brand new officers were also hired by the county to patrol Camden without the training, experience, or knowledge of the community that the former police force had. In a city that is 95 percent minority, Camden went from a 2/3 minority department to an agency that is made up of only 43 percent minority officers. A larger, less diverse police presence is probably not what the police abolitionists of today have in mind.

More disturbingly, cities will have less say in who does the policing. Will they draw their officers from the communities they will serve? Not if the cities cede that control to other levels of government. Instead, they will find themselves being policed by sheriff’s deputies and state police officers who answer to someone outside of their communities, using policies the cities are helpless to influence.

Alternatively, cities will get a bunch of the same officers they just got rid of, now wearing county or state uniforms, when the displaced officers get hired for the extra patrols those agencies are now picking up.
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Unfortunately democrats tend to kiss the asses of unions.
republicans kiss bottoms of militants but this circumstances are bringing out reality checks from both sides.
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republicans kiss bottoms of militants but this circumstances are bringing out reality checks from both sides.
Are you now on some new medications? You need to have your doctor look into the drugs you appear to be taking before it leads to irreversible damage.
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Unfortunately democrats tend to kiss the asses of unions.
Wrong.....

Every single republican cop loves his union.....


Stop with the politically biased broad brush.....
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"Murder reduced by 70%
Violent crime reduced by 46%
Police harassment complaints reduction of 95%
Body Cameras on all police.
corrupt union gone"


Look, sadly the right really does not like it when the people want to change the police in any way.
I've never understood why.
one on hand the right talks about the PEOPLE being in control but as soon as people want to make changes in police dept the right assumes that NO change will be good. and th police will be Destroyed and the world will crumble.

the Right claimed that if "stop & frisk" were stopped in NYC that the New York would burst into flames. Guess what, it was stopped and it didn't.

However BY DEFAULT not all changes will work.
And some places will have better experiences than others. But to assume that any changes are bad or that the most extreme of the leftist ideas will rule the day in every locality is just bias fear-mongering.
And it also serves as a way to pretend that police are doing just FINE as they are.
Since few to ZERO alternative plans are offered and in fact many on the right refuse to even acknowledge any ubiquitous problems with policing ... other than "unions"
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republicans kiss bottoms of militants but this circumstances are bringing out reality checks from both sides.
I'm pretty sure republicans aren't supporting antifa militants.
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