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I think I put my comment in headline. On tap talk. Soory. Answer to question is : whoever these guys were working for
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Here's a copy of the indictment.

https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/d...Indictment.pdf

The RNC, Ron DeSantis, Rick Scott, Joe Wilson, Kevin McCarthy, and Pete Sessions all received donations from these guys.

They also donated to the Republican Party Committees in twenty different states.

And yes, they gave the max amount of $2,700 directly to Trump, and $325,000 to the Pro-Trump PAC, America First Action.

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...ame=Lev+parnas

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...me=igor+fruman

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...me=igor+furman

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...ergy+producers
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Here's a copy of the indictment.

https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/d...Indictment.pdf

The RNC, Ron DeSantis, Rick Scott, Joe Wilson, Kevin McCarthy, and Pete Sessions all received donations from these guys.

They also donated to the Republican Party Committees in twenty different states.

And yes, they gave the max amount of $2,700 directly to Trump, and $325,000 to the Pro-Trump PAC, America First Action.

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...ame=Lev+parnas

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...me=igor+fruman

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...me=igor+furman

https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/in...ergy+producers
OK ... they made illegal campaign contributions. Yes that's bad. i'm glad they were caught and were indited.
but even on page 2 of the indictment it says
"...But the defendants concealed the scheme from the candidates, campaigns, federal regulators, and the public by entering into secret agreements , laundering foreign money through bank accounts ...."

So where's the hard illegal connection with Gulianni ... much less Trump here?

And i have to say it, does this even come close to the campaign funding mischief connected to Hillary and the Clinton foundation? Not to mention Biden's son. And anyone looked at the AOCs financing? it's stinks pretty hard of foreign influence too.

Look I'm not so naive to think that maybe Trump ...much moreso Gulianni was wise to the activity. If not in detail... with knowing winks and nods.
But the outrage here and cries for adding this to a list of flimsy charges is again just amazingly hypocritical.

Campaign Finance in America STINKS hard of Corporate and Foreign influence from all sides. If the Dems want to make it part of "impeachable offensive" OK, fine but HEY LETS CLEAN the WHOLE HEN HOUSE and investigate every top senate and house member, every presidential candidate, and the DNC and RNC and see how clean their hands are.
I suspect few to none now IN office really want FULL disclosure of their donors.


Bottom lines in this case:
There's seems to be no real Trump 'connection' here and this looks like a case of SELECTIVE enforcement of a universal problem.
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I know I know it's not about Hillary but C'MON ya'll.

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"...Although it did not give while she was secretary of state, the Saudi regime by itself has donated between $10 million and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation, with donations coming as late as 2014, as she prepared her presidential run. A group called “Friends of Saudi Arabia,” co-founded “by a Saudi Prince,” gave an additional amount between $1 million and $5 million. The Clinton Foundation says that between $1 million and $5 million was also donated by “the State of Qatar,” the United Arab Emirates, and the government of Brunei. “The State of Kuwait” has donated between $5 million and $10 million.

Theoretically, one could say that these regimes — among the most repressive and regressive in the world — are donating because they deeply believe in the charitable work of the Clinton Foundation and want to help those in need. Is there a single person on the planet who actually believes this? ..."
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/21/u...n-charity.html
https://theintercept.com/2016/08/25/...on-foundation/
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/...oncerns-226191
But that's NOT(?) foreign influence?
Is that impeachable?
If so, Fine. cool impeach Trump away for his "connections" to these guys.
But if think you've got legit excuses for Hillary here. Sorry I have to roll my eyes and shake my head in wonder.
sheesh.
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One more about Hillary and I'm done with her.
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...Ever since Watergate, the mantra of all major corruption investigations has been to "follow the money." Well, Americans of all political stripes should be outraged by the fact that both Democrats and Republicans in Washington are up to their eyeballs in Kremlin cash. Russian money found its way into the pockets of not only Trump advisers like Paul Manafort and Rick Gates — who were recently indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller —but also Democratic power lobbyist Tony Podesta, Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.

This should suggest to objective observers that Russia was using its money to influence both sides in order to advance the Kremlin's interests. And it means that any full and impartial investigation of Russia's efforts to influence our political process needs to follow the Russian money flowing into the coffers of the Clintons, their foundation and their top associates.

The New York Times reported in 2015 that "shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, [former President Bill] Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock." In total, $145 million went to the Clinton Foundation from interests linked to Uranium One, which was acquired by the Russian government nuclear agency Rosatum.

Think that was just a coincidence? As former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy points out, the Uranium One deal is not a national security scandal, it is a corruption scandal involving "Clinton family self-dealing." Ask yourself: How many half-a-million-dollar speeches has Bill Clinton given to Kremlin-linked banks since Hillary Clinton was defeated? How much Russian money is flowing into the Clinton Foundation's coffers today? If Donald Trump had given a $500,000 speech paid for by a Kremlin bank, and his private foundation had accepted $145 million from Vladimir Putin-linked oligarchs and their Western business partners, do you think that his critics would be insisting there was nothing to see here?

Then there is Tony Podesta. It is now front-page news that Podesta has been forced to step down from his soon-to-be-defunct lobbying firm, the Podesta Group, after being ensnared in the same scandal that led to the indictment of Trump campaign aides Manafort and Gates. The Podesta Group failed to register as a foreign agent for Russian interests while lobbying on behalf of the European Center for a Modern Ukraine — a front group that Mueller's indictment says was "under the ultimate direction" of Ukraine's Putin-backed president and his political party.

We should all be deeply concerned by how much Russian cash was sloshing around Washington, and how much of it found its way into the bank accounts of the Clintons and those around them. And we should all, Democrats and Republicans alike, want to get to the bottom of it.
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/opini...120-story.html
investigate them ALL.
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OK ... they made illegal campaign contributions. Yes that's bad. i'm glad they were caught and were indited.
but even on page 2 of the indictment it says
"...But the defendants concealed the scheme from the candidates, campaigns, federal regulators, and the public by entering into secret agreements , laundering foreign money through bank accounts ...."

So where's the hard illegal connection with Gulianni ... much less Trump here?

And i have to say it, does this even come close to the campaign funding mischief connected to Hillary and the Clinton foundation? Not to mention Biden's son. And anyone looked at the AOCs financing? it's stinks pretty hard of foreign influence too.

Look I'm not so naive to think that maybe Trump ...much moreso Gulianni was wise to the activity. If not in detail... with knowing winks and nods.
But the outrage here and cries for adding this to a list of flimsy charges is again just amazingly hypocritical.

Campaign Finance in America STINKS hard of Corporate and Foreign influence from all sides. If the Dems want to make it part of "impeachable offensive" OK, fine but HEY LETS CLEAN the WHOLE HEN HOUSE and investigate every top senate and house member, every presidential candidate, and the DNC and RNC and see how clean their hands are.
I suspect few to none now IN office really want FULL disclosure of their donors.


Bottom lines in this case:
There's seems to be no real Trump 'connection' here and this looks like a case of SELECTIVE enforcement of a universal problem.
Guliani was their lawyer at one point but reading more will help you. A few shows break it down. try brett Baier on fox ; tyt; pbs

the others just confuse they are so partisan and talking over one another
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Guliani was their lawyer at one point but reading more will help you. A few shows break it down. try brett Baier on fox ; tyt; pbs

the others just confuse they are so partisan and talking over one another
Not just their lawyer, Lev and Igor were helping Guiliani and Trump on their quest to get dirt on Biden in Ukraine. And despite Trump saying he doesn't know them, there are several photos of them with him, Giuliani, and Trump Jr. I consider these to be the first arrests in the impeachment process.

On the day they were arrested, the two had just finished having lunch with Rudy, and were on their way to leave the country via one-way tickets to Vienna. Rudy was planning on heading out there the next day.
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Not just their lawyer, Lev and Igor were helping Guiliani and Trump on their quest to get dirt on Biden in Ukraine. And despite Trump saying he doesn't know them, there are several photos of them with him, Giuliani, and Trump Jr. I consider these to be the first arrests in the impeachment process.

On the day they were arrested, the two had just finished having lunch with Rudy, and were on their way to leave the country via one-way tickets to Vienna. Rudy was planning on heading out there the next day.
So the Resistance line is it's all about Trump, never mind their pursuit of business licenses for recreational marijuana. How many people does President Trump meet in a day? He must be lying about knowing these people, right?

Oh, any call to investigate Biden's obvious "monitization" of his office as VP is condemned as an impeachment worthy offense. Like Hillary before him Biden is above the law. Like the Russian collusion narrative the Resistance "knows" every Trump motive with unerring accuracy.
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So the Resistance line is it's all about Trump, never mind their pursuit of business licenses for recreational marijuana. How many people does President Trump meet in a day? He must be lying about knowing these people, right?

Oh, any call to investigate Biden's obvious "monitization" of his office as VP is condemned as an impeachment worthy offense. Like Hillary before him Biden is above the law. Like the Russian collusion narrative the Resistance "knows" every Trump motive with unerring accuracy.
nobody liked hillary or thought she wasn't corrupt

the state of new york indicted them on election interference. and I think at this date rudy has also been indicted-not sure if state or federal.
Did you see who Wally posted got donations from them?
one of those congressmen-pete sessions- later wrote a letter doing what was needed of him per bribery.
that is why we need legislation overturning citizens united. this also explains why so many in congress are still not holding trump accountable. so many are on the take.
I pray for our country to work its way out of this mess.


edited to say: I think the federal prosecutor in ny arrested them/charged them; not the state prosecutor.
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Not just their lawyer, Lev and Igor were helping Guiliani and Trump on their quest to get dirt on Biden in Ukraine. And despite Trump saying he doesn't know them, there are several photos of them with him, Giuliani, and Trump Jr. I consider these to be the first arrests in the impeachment process.

On the day they were arrested, the two had just finished having lunch with Rudy, and were on their way to leave the country via one-way tickets to Vienna. Rudy was planning on heading out there the next day.
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I thought George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and Michael Flynn were the first arrests in the impeachment process.
Did you forget them? Did you forget how that led to the impeachment of President Trump?
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