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Default Is It Possible to Stop a Mass Shooting Before It Happens?

Former lady cop has been infiltrating right wing extremist groups for some time
and says it's possible to spot the signs of a real trouble before it happens.

I just skimmed the article but it seems to have some interesting info

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Is It Possible to Stop a Mass Shooting Before It Happens?
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politic...=pocket-newtab

You’ve never heard of her, but somewhere in America, a top-secret investigator known as the Savant is infiltrating online hate groups to take down the most violent men in the country. Cosmopolitan goes undercover as she races to get ahead of the next large-scale attack.

Michael Finton was living in Decatur, Illinois, a shrinking manufacturing town,

working as a part-time cook at a cheap take-out joint. He was 29 and unmarried, with red hair and white skin, described as polite by his coworkers, as the mild-mannered guy next door by his neighbors. He liked to hang out and play cards and watch soccer. He also wanted to kill as many people as he could.
But no one knew that yet—except for her.

An elite investigator who tracks angry men online, she’s known to some in her field as the Savant because of her uncanny ability to suss out when, exactly, hate speech will morph into violent action. She came across Finton’s Myspace profile in 2007 and was disturbed by what she saw: videos of Islamic extremists carrying out brutal killings alongside quotes glorifying religious martyrdom. The page gave her a primal, hairs-on-end feeling that she’d learned not to ignore.

She started screenshotting everything Finton posted. She dug into his past and found out he’d spent time in prison for assault and robbery and seemed to have adopted radical views behind bars. She kept watching. And as spring turned to summer, Finton’s posts got even darker. That’s when she called the FBI.

What happened next reads like a movie script, except more dramatic and all true. Federal authorities set up a sting operation that resulted in Finton getting into a van he thought was rigged with nearly one ton of explosives. He told his accomplice, in reality an undercover FBI informant, that the blast would be a “historic occasion.” He parked the van outside a federal office building in Springfield, Illinois, where hundreds of people worked. And then, from a few blocks away, he made a call that he thought would trigger the explosion. When nothing happened, he called again.

It could have been one more mass-casualty event on our grim, ever-lengthening list. Columbine. Orlando. Charleston. Gilroy. El Paso. Dayton. But it wasn’t. Because Finton was immediately swarmed by FBI agents and members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. He was shackled, locked up, and indicted, eventually pleading guilty to one count of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against property owned by the United States. He’s now serving 28 years in federal prison.

There were plenty of news articles about Finton’s arrest, but you won’t find her name in any of them. Instead, in reports about her cases, you’ll see words like “tip,” “alerted,” “uncovered.” Words that basically mean her. Even the existence of her work has been largely a mystery. At least, until now. ..
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Former lady cop has been infiltrating right wing extremist groups for some time
and says it's possible to spot the signs of a real trouble before it happens.

I just skimmed the article but it seems to have some interesting info

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Is It Possible to Stop a Mass Shooting Before It Happens?
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politic...=pocket-newtab

You’ve never heard of her, but somewhere in America, a top-secret investigator known as the Savant is infiltrating online hate groups to take down the most violent men in the country. Cosmopolitan goes undercover as she races to get ahead of the next large-scale attack.

Michael Finton was living in Decatur, Illinois, a shrinking manufacturing town,

working as a part-time cook at a cheap take-out joint. He was 29 and unmarried, with red hair and white skin, described as polite by his coworkers, as the mild-mannered guy next door by his neighbors. He liked to hang out and play cards and watch soccer. He also wanted to kill as many people as he could.
But no one knew that yet—except for her.

An elite investigator who tracks angry men online, she’s known to some in her field as the Savant because of her uncanny ability to suss out when, exactly, hate speech will morph into violent action. She came across Finton’s Myspace profile in 2007 and was disturbed by what she saw: videos of Islamic extremists carrying out brutal killings alongside quotes glorifying religious martyrdom. The page gave her a primal, hairs-on-end feeling that she’d learned not to ignore.

She started screenshotting everything Finton posted. She dug into his past and found out he’d spent time in prison for assault and robbery and seemed to have adopted radical views behind bars. She kept watching. And as spring turned to summer, Finton’s posts got even darker. That’s when she called the FBI.

What happened next reads like a movie script, except more dramatic and all true. Federal authorities set up a sting operation that resulted in Finton getting into a van he thought was rigged with nearly one ton of explosives. He told his accomplice, in reality an undercover FBI informant, that the blast would be a “historic occasion.” He parked the van outside a federal office building in Springfield, Illinois, where hundreds of people worked. And then, from a few blocks away, he made a call that he thought would trigger the explosion. When nothing happened, he called again.

It could have been one more mass-casualty event on our grim, ever-lengthening list. Columbine. Orlando. Charleston. Gilroy. El Paso. Dayton. But it wasn’t. Because Finton was immediately swarmed by FBI agents and members of the Joint Terrorism Task Force. He was shackled, locked up, and indicted, eventually pleading guilty to one count of attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against property owned by the United States. He’s now serving 28 years in federal prison.

There were plenty of news articles about Finton’s arrest, but you won’t find her name in any of them. Instead, in reports about her cases, you’ll see words like “tip,” “alerted,” “uncovered.” Words that basically mean her. Even the existence of her work has been largely a mystery. At least, until now. ..
No it's not possible. So somebody gets lucky one time. Assuming the story is accurate. A huge assumption.

We do not go around arresting people based on what they might do. And I don't want to live in a society that does.
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No it's not possible. So somebody gets lucky one time. Assuming the story is accurate. A huge assumption.

We do not go around arresting people based on what they might do. And I don't want to live in a society that does.
Like i said I haven't read the article all the way through.
Did you read the article and it says she's only help catch one?
And that it's not replicatable?

And does the article say they are arresting people BEFORE they do something?
I got the impression that they were just focusing on and investigating those that throw up red flags.
which is legal.
And then doing stings, which is sometimes questionable, but often legal as well.
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We do not go around arresting people based on what they might do. And I don't want to live in a society that does.
umm cough...

Gitmo?

"we", Law enforcement, in fact do arrest people and hassle people for what some LEOs even think they might do.
even kill them sometimes. And I don't want to live in a society that does either.
But at least in these cases they've got something to go on by way of stated intent online and in various extremist rightwing groups.

Not just being hassled, assaulted, arrested or killed for, --walking while a minority-- and --not being respectful/cooperative--
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Like that meme a while back:

How about "stop making the people defenseless"?
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Like i said I haven't read the article all the way through.
Did you read the article and it says she's only help catch one?
And that it's not replicatable?

And does the article say they are arresting people BEFORE they do something?
I got the impression that they were just focusing on and investigating those that throw up red flags.
which is legal.
And then doing stings, which is sometimes questionable, but often legal as well.
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She came across Finton’s Myspace profile in 2007 and was disturbed by what she saw: videos of Islamic extremists carrying out brutal killings alongside quotes glorifying religious martyrdom. The page gave her a primal, hairs-on-end feeling that she’d learned not to ignore.

She started screenshotting everything Finton posted. She dug into his past and found out he’d spent time in prison for assault and robbery and seemed to have adopted radical views behind bars. She kept watching. And as spring turned to summer, Finton’s posts got even darker.
Someone radicalized in prison to post Islamic terrorist videos isn't a white supremacist Trump supporter. They aren't domestic terrorists. But wait, Islamic terrorists don't have red hair and fair skin like the person described in the article. Ethnicity and skin color dictate the person's beliefs.
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Someone radicalized in prison to post Islamic terrorist videos isn't a white supremacist Trump supporter. They aren't domestic terrorists. But wait, Islamic terrorists don't have red hair and fair skin like the person described in the article. Ethnicity and skin color dictate the person's beliefs.
What you WON'T read is an article on some "Savant" type infiltrating Dearborn, Michigan and stopping terrorists who showed up on America's doorstep already radicalized...Don't want to be called a "racist"...
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Someone radicalized in prison to post Islamic terrorist videos isn't a white supremacist Trump supporter. They aren't domestic terrorists. But wait, Islamic terrorists don't have red hair and fair skin like the person described in the article. Ethnicity and skin color dictate the person's beliefs.
Yes the Finton guy is an Ilamist extremist, I should have mentione that but the investigator is doing more work with right wing extremist at this point and , it appears, has stopped a few potentially larger crimes.

But I did mention "Trump Supporter"?
No.
I said "right wing extremist".
You know like the guy in ElPaso who just shot up folks because "Mexicans".
and the guy that drove his car into a crowd becasue "White nationalism".
and the guy that shot up the Black church becasue "White America" ain't safe from all the minorities.

Seems to me they are ones that bring race and nationality into the conversation.
But i didn't bring up Trump... or even call them "WHITE wing extremist".

Of course some folks are are just random nut jobs and there's not much one can do to track them. Like disgruntled "postal workers" and the Sutherland Springs TX Church shooter. But even he had tell tales signs. And she seems to be looking into a lot of frustrated dudes who can't get a woman. And write online about justified raping and killing.

seems she's doing good work, pointing out legitimately dangerous people, before they act out.
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Like that meme a while back:
How about "stop making the people defenseless"?
how about both?
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Like i said I haven't read the article all the way through.
Did you read the article and it says she's only help catch one?
And that it's not replicatable?

And does the article say they are arresting people BEFORE they do something?
I got the impression that they were just focusing on and investigating those that throw up red flags.
which is legal.
And then doing stings, which is sometimes questionable, but often legal as well.
Actually the article says just that. They set him up.
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