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Old 08-17-2019, 01:03 AM
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There is no known and proven efficient way to preselect and stop a mass shooter before he/she begins their mayhem. However, there is one efficient and effective way to stop the carnage from expanding.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...6&&FORM=VDRVRV
I did not see anything in the link pertaining to the above.
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OK, so police shouldn't even try to spot potential threats using constitutional, long legal and publicly available means.

I mean the fact that someone makes threats publicly and online about mass shootings shouldn't be considered something to investigated and track?
The guy at the shooting range or at work or school that has plenty of weapons and idolizes mass shooters shouldn't be followed tracked when it looks like he's casing targets or when he post that manifesto?

welll um,
OK, if you guys says so.

Nobody said shouldn't try to spot. That's far removed from setting up a sting based on the opinion of some unidentified activist.
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No it's not possible. So somebody gets lucky one time. Assuming the story is accurate. A huge assumption.

We do not go around arresting people based on what they might do. And I don't want to live in a society that does.
Conspiracy to commit a terrorist attack is a criminal act. That's not investigation and arresting someone for something they might do but instead it's investigating something the person engaged in the planning to commit a terrorist attack.

There's a problem. While international terrorist acts are criminal the planning of a domestic "terrorist" act generally is not. Only if the person plans on using a bomb or two categories of nuclear attacks is it defined as a "Domestic Terrorist Attack" under our current laws.

It isn't that other laws don't cover acts of domestic terrorism often resulting in the same criminal penalty but without a domestic terrorism law these attacks are not tracked uniformly and an effective law enforcement strategy is absent.

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The federal code includes a definition of domestic terrorism but has no penalties associated with it. A proposal floated by the FBI association would borrow the language of that definition the use of violence for political means to intimidate or coerce a government or civilian population and make it a crime no matter what type of weapon is used.

The Justice Department has historically reserved terrorism prosecutions for cases involving foreign organizations.

That's because the State Department maintains a list of dozens of foreign terror groups. Actions aimed at helping those organizations, whether traveling abroad to join the Islamic State group or committing an act at home, fall under a broadly construed law that makes it illegal to lend material support to a foreign terror organization.

By comparison, the U.S. does not make it a crime to associate with organizations like the Ku Klux Klan that have been involved in ideologically motivated crimes.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/attacks-r...-terrorism-law
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prison without trial, rendition and torture.

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I was always against the Patriot Act... and I wasn't alone in my feelings about this tyrannical legislation. But I guess there weren't enough of us to make our voices heard.

So the appearance is that all conservatives were for that ****ty piece of legislation. But that really wasn't the case.
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Then I'm one of those rare Republicans. Except I'm not a Republican.

I said it then, I'll say it now. Spying on innocent citizens in the off chance of uncovering some future plot violates a fair amount of the Constitution and its amendments.
agreed,
I'm guessing that goes for being against ...prison without trial (gitmo etc), rendition and torture.... as well.

And such things as "stop and frisk", "boarder "check points" (1-100 miles within the boarder) and "no-knock warrants" as well?
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prison without trial, rendition and torture.







agreed,
I'm guessing that goes for being against ...prison without trial (gitmo etc), rendition and torture.... as well.

And such things as "stop and frisk", "boarder "check points" (1-100 miles within the boarder) and "no-knock warrants" as well?
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prison without trial, rendition and torture.







agreed,
I'm guessing that goes for being against ...prison without trial (gitmo etc), rendition and torture.... as well.

And such things as "stop and frisk", "boarder "check points" (1-100 miles within the boarder) and "no-knock warrants" as well?
Nothing in what you claim I said has anything to with I actually said.

I address one topic at a time.
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