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Old 07-15-2019, 03:07 PM
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Donald Trump has not only been accused of rape and sexual misconduct by more than 20 women over the past several decades, but he regularly uses his power to threaten survivors who come forward and to protect and promote men who abuse women...
...In 2016, “Jane Doe” filed a lawsuit against Trump alleging a “savage sexual attack” in 1994, when she was 13 years old, in which he tied her to a bed at Epstein’s house, raped her, and struck her in the face. The account was corroborated by a witness who claimed to have seen the child perform sexual acts on both Trump and Epstein...
...Just as he has a patten of sexual predation, Trump also seems to have a pattern of threatening victims who come forward. Jane Doe alleged in the lawsuit that Trump told her she shouldn’t ever say anything if she didn’t want to “disappear like Maria,” a 12-year-old girl who had also been abused along with her. Jane Doe dropped the lawsuit in November 2016, days before Trump’s election, after her attorney, Lisa Bloom, cited “numerous threats” against her client. (Trump denied the allegations, and Bloom declined to comment for this story.)...

Even if the Epstein proceedings fail to produce evidence against Trump, there is enough already in the public record—including words recorded out of his own mouth—to substantiate a shockingly prolific history of sexual misconduct. The first rape allegation against him was by his ex-wife Ivana, who in a deposition in the early 1990s described a violent assault by her husband in 1989 in which he pulled out fistfuls of her hair and jammed himself inside her. She clarified while he was running for president in 2015—and while under a gag order that prevents her from discussing her marriage with Trump without his approval—that the alleged rape was not in a “criminal sense.” What she, likely coached by Trump’s team, seemed to be implying is that a man has a right to sex with his wife, regardless of his level of violence or her protestations (all 50 states have laws against non-consensual sex, or rape, within a marriage).

Even though Michael Cohen, Trump's former personal lawyer and fixer, claimed that "you cannot rape your spouse,” he was so invested in squashing the story that he dramatically threatened a Daily Beast reporter who was writing about the incident that same year. “I will make sure that you and I meet one day while we’re in the courthouse. And I will take you for every penny you still don’t have. And I will come after your Daily Beast and everybody else that you possibly know,” Cohen said. “So I’m warning you, tread very ****ing lightly, because what I’m going to do to you is going to be ****ing disgusting. You understand me?”

The allegations have piled up against Trump for almost 40 years now. Businesswoman Jessica Leeds told The New York Times that in the 1980s, he grabbed her breasts and reached up her skirt on an airplane without her consent. “He was like an octopus,” she said. “His hands were everywhere.”

In total, and not counting the young Jane Doe who rescinded her lawsuit, more than 20 women have accused Trump of sexual misconduct so far, and many of them have produced witnesses and corroborators. Five have produced at least two witnesses. He denies all of the allegations, but his own recorded statements suggest he does regularly engage in this pattern of behavior.

Trump infamously boasted to Access Hollywood host Billy Bush in 2005 that he can grope women whenever he wants because he’s famous. “When you’re a star, they let you do it,” he said. “You can do anything. Grab ’em by the *****.”

Perhaps the slow drip of information and accusations against Trump has had a numbing effect on public opinion, and the sexual misconduct has been further buried by the national security crises that seem to be occurring on a weekly basis. The New York Times didn’t even consider it front-page news last month when prominent writer E. Jean Carroll became the third person to accuse the sitting president of rape. (Trump responded that he couldn’t have raped her because she’s not his “type.”) But when the puzzle pieces are assembled, the full picture of Trump’s alleged sexual misconduct and the fact that he’s gotten away with it for so long are actually quite shocking at a time when the country is supposed to be reckoning with its own rape culture.

It’s not just the idea of a possible rapist sitting in the Oval Office that’s disturbing—it’s the ripple effect of a presidency that silences and devalues women and girls while elevating the men who harm them. Trump paid a porn star and a Playboy model for their silence after having affairs with them. His administration has come under international scrutiny for weakening protections for victims of sex trafficking. He endorsed Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore in 2017, after multiple allegations that Moore had sexually abused teen girls. He stood by his Supreme Court pick, Brett Kavanaugh, after Dr. Christine Blasey Ford delivered an emotional testimony alleging that Kavanaugh tried to rape her in high school. He is reportedly not even considering firing Acosta for making a sweetheart deal with Epstein’s lawyers.

There are too many red flags to ignore. Trump has proven himself to be a danger to women in his personal orbit, and his leadership is a danger to women and girls across the world. Now that his powerful friend is being held accountable for heinous sex crimes, the allegations against the president warrant much further scrutiny.
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The #Me Too movement continues to devalue their case because the word "alleged" means only that someone says the crime was committed. Too often the accusation turns out to be the actual crime committed. But the repercussions of that action are historically negligible.

So the accusations continue.

Seems any man of means can be a target. Some deserve it, most don't.

At the end of the day, the accusations lose credibility by the sheer weight of numbers.

I cannot help but feel for the women who have credible claims but fear they won't be taken seriously because of the number of false witness cases in the public eye.

Salty, It is wrong to bear false witness, yet you do it often. In truth, you actually know NOTHING of Trump's guilt or innocence except for your hatred. One wonders how seriously you take the word of God when you do that.
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The #Me Too movement continues to devalue their case because the word "alleged" means only that someone says the crime was committed. Too often the accusation turns out to be the actual crime committed. But the repercussions of that action are historically negligible.

So the accusations continue.

Seems any man of means can be a target. Some deserve it, most don't.

At the end of the day, the accusations lose credibility by the sheer weight of numbers.

I cannot help but feel for the women who have credible claims but fear they won't be taken seriously because of the number of false witness cases in the public eye.

Salty, It is wrong to bear false witness, yet you do it often. In truth, you actually know NOTHING of Trump's guilt or innocence except for your hatred. One wonders how seriously you take the word of God when you do that.
contrarily the weight of numbers bolsters the case against him.
some of these people were threatened; their children threatened. Most of these have not been abandoned but caght in nowhere land because of a powerful pervert.
he violently raped his own wife; as part of his payoff he got her to back away and soften that even though it is a crime in all 50 states.
he brags about sexual assault.
how can you defend this guy?
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Good fuqin' god libs are gettin' desperate.
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how so?
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how so?
What? That's eactly what a mushroom might utter after it pops out of some bat shlt!

Since Trump has been President, there have been nothing but shlt fits from the leftist side of society. Desperation is sure to rear its ugly head soon enough, if not at this time.
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contrarily the weight of numbers bolsters the case against him.
some of these people were threatened; their children threatened. Most of these have not been abandoned but caght in nowhere land because of a powerful pervert.
he violently raped his own wife; as part of his payoff he got her to back away and soften that even though it is a crime in all 50 states.
he brags about sexual assault.
how can you defend this guy?
A lie does not become a truth because a majority believes it.

I don't recall the Donald bragging about "raping" anyone. Perhaps you have a link to prove he admitted to such a crime.
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get out the cuffs; Big Sam's waitin' on ya, Donald.
I was once on a jury in a rape case and it was very hard for all of us on the jury. The case really came down to "he said v she said" testimony and that didn't provide the compelling evidence beyond a reasonable doubt necessary for conviction. Those of us on the jury leaned toward believing her but that was emotional and not based upon the actual evidence and testimony. We eventually had to reach a verdict of Not Guilty but would have really liked to tell her it wasn't because we doubted her story. It was because there just wasn't enough evidence to convict.

I can tell you one thing from that experience.

If the prosecution would have produced a audio tape of the defendant bragging about sexually assaulting women and then produced over a dozen women testifying that they were the victims of defendants sexual assault we could have ended deliberations within five minutes and unanimously voted to convict.

Criteria for a guilty verdict is evidence establishing guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. In Trump's case there's evidence establishing guilt beyond any doubt.
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A lie does not become a truth because a majority believes it.

I don't recall the Donald bragging about "raping" anyone. Perhaps you have a link to prove he admitted to such a crime.
Trump bragged about committing sexual assault and rape is a form of sexual assault.
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Good fuqin' god libs are gettin' desperate.
There's nothing political about this subject. It all happened before Trump became a Republican president.

Please explain how it is desperate to want to hold all people accountable under the law for the crimes they've committed.
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