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When the Obama administration pandered to the LGBT special interest group by refusing to have the DOJ defend the Federal defense of marriage act it was lauded as a glorious defense of democracy. But now when the Trump administration DOJ announces it will not defend Obamacare from the latest challenge in court it's an assault on Americans right to healthcare.

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Facing a federal lawsuit from Texas and several other red states who want the entire law overturned, the Justice Department announced late Thursday that it won’t defend a core ACA provision in court: the guarantee of coverage for preexisting conditions. In a legal filing, the department essentially agreed with much of the lawsuit’s rationale, which is that recent legislation has voided most of the ACA’s most important provisions. While it’s unclear whether this unusual decision by the DOJ will help the lawsuit’s chances, it is yet another signal that the ACA remains vulnerable to being dismantled in pieces.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/562442/

Trump takes a proactive approach by refocusing on replacing Obamacare. Democrats are imposing a commitment to Medicare for all as a litmus test for nomination candidates but continue to defend Obamacare as holy writ.
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The President has not announced, for good reasons, what the GOP plan is to replace this component of the ACA. He knows well the Democrats will object to anything he proposes out of hand before they even see it. So, I believe this move not to defend is a political calculation.

A foundation of the argument for ACA was the pre=existing conditions. A problem that did not need a full takeover and overhaul of our medical industry. A simple funding of subsidies for people who required help with coverage would have systemized what the Healthcare industry was already doing. In 2009 budget numbers of $60 million were suggested as sufficient.

Generation of those funds was an easy matter of surcharging on Insurance premiums or Health care provider's billings.

Right now, I suspect the President has a plan which will be laid out after the court case is resolved. The plug on current ACA will not be pulled overnight. If he has no plan, then we can all suggest our level of support for him in November of 2020.
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When the Obama administration pandered to the LGBT special interest group by refusing to have the DOJ defend the Federal defense of marriage act it was lauded as a glorious defense of democracy. But now when the Trump administration DOJ announces it will not defend Obamacare from the latest challenge in court it's an assault on Americans right to healthcare.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...rticle/562442/

Trump takes a proactive approach by refocusing on replacing Obamacare. Democrats are imposing a commitment to Medicare for all as a litmus test for nomination candidates but continue to defend Obamacare as holy writ.
why would the doj defend against civil rights violations?
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The President has not announced, for good reasons, what the GOP plan is to replace this component of the ACA. He knows well the Democrats will object to anything he proposes out of hand before they even see it. So, I believe this move not to defend is a political calculation.

A foundation of the argument for ACA was the pre=existing conditions. A problem that did not need a full takeover and overhaul of our medical industry. A simple funding of subsidies for people who required help with coverage would have systemized what the Healthcare industry was already doing. In 2009 budget numbers of $60 million were suggested as sufficient.

Generation of those funds was an easy matter of surcharging on Insurance premiums or Health care provider's billings.

Right now, I suspect the President has a plan which will be laid out after the court case is resolved. The plug on current ACA will not be pulled overnight. If he has no plan, then we can all suggest our level of support for him in November of 2020.
oh he has a plan alright
fill his pockets while helping big insurance and big pharma
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why would the doj defend against civil rights violations?
At the time the suit was brought the high holiest on the SCOTUS hadn't yet amended the Constitution to sanctify same sex marriage. The Obama administration simply decided they didn't like the law.
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oh he has a plan alright
fill his pockets while helping big insurance and big pharma
Do you have any links to support your claim that Trump is profiting from this? Without a link it just sounds like you are spouting BS resulting from blind, thoughtless hatred, and too many of your posts are like that. Links would make your assertions seem at least somewhat credible.
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Once again, unfortunately, you post something that pops off the top of your head, with no validation, support, links, or even proof from some main stream media joke.

Did you have an (coherent) thoughts about a way to carry forward the pre-existing clause, or was this post strictly an ad hom attack on Trump, who is not here to defend himself?

As Franc noted, the pre existing clause could have been addressed with a couple of pages of legislation.... but that wouldn't have worked for the forced purchase of a private product.

I'm sure you have a 'why do you hate people with pre-existing conditions' in your repertoire, but until you understand that other people who were responsible should not have to pay for those who were not responsible, it is all hot air and angst.
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If the GOP had passed the same program - a program nearly identical to what at one time WAS the Republican plan (before they went full on cult like and billionaire worship) and is very similar to what Romney instituted in Mass. This would be a good thing. But because it was an Obama Democratic party thing that means BAD to republican voters who are usually so stupid that they don't know that the Medicare and Social Security they receive each month is a socialist program and paid for by other people.

Since ACA was introduced, it has been clear that version 1.0 needs some tuning and important incremental improvements, but the GOP has adamantly blocked those so there are some pretty painful problems which of course they wanted to happen, so they could then tell their brain dead constituents how much of a failure it was. And in spite of that, Obamacare has actually gained popularity with the American public once more people understood what it did.

But the tRUmp GOP is all about the fight, and that's what gets their cult base to the polls. Hatred, racism, fear etc. The Wall is the perfect example, it isn't about building a wall, it's about looking as if you are fighting for one (The Racisct Undertones are certainly all part of it). The same goes for getting rid of "obamacare" , they know they can't remove it, because Republicans have absolutely nothing to replace it with. However, they can appear like they are fighting for healthcare, and that will get people to the polls. We all saw what the GOP did when they controlled the House, Senate, White House, Supreme Court and most governorships throughout the US, and that was a whole lot of "fighting" and little implementation of anything. I doubt they even want it to be repealed. They just want to look like they are doing something, which they never really do, unless its implementing a tax scam for billionaires. Then they are all in for that.

But for the cult base that actually like this wedge issue I'm sure it riles them up properly. And there are some people who are paying out for the tax annually or that are forced into expensive plans they can't/don't want to afford, for instance. Which the GOP coincidentally, wont allow to get fixed, those people sure do hate Obamacare. Most Americans like it though.
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Once again, unfortunately, you post something that pops off the top of your head, with no validation, support, links, or even proof from some main stream media joke.

Did you have an (coherent) thoughts about a way to carry forward the pre-existing clause, or was this post strictly an ad hom attack on Trump, who is not here to defend himself?

As Franc noted, the pre existing clause could have been addressed with a couple of pages of legislation.... but that wouldn't have worked for the forced purchase of a private product.

I'm sure you have a 'why do you hate people with pre-existing conditions' in your repertoire, but until you understand that other people who were responsible should not have to pay for those who were not responsible, it is all hot air and angst.
Once again, if you were keeping yourself informed of current events, you would know saltyn is not making stuff up.

https://www.spectrumnews.org/news/he...-inauguration/

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Drugmaker Pfizer gave $1 million to help finance the inauguration, according to documents filed with the U.S. Federal Election Commission. Amgen, another pharmaceutical company, donated $500,000. Health insurers Anthem, Centene and Aetna all gave six-figure contributions.

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Two weeks before Pfizer’s donation, Trump told Time magazine, “I’m going to bring down drug prices.” At the same time, one of his top goals was repealing Obamacare — the Affordable Care Act — and its billions in subsidies for insurance companies and hospitals.

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Also writing checks for the inauguration were drugmaker Abbott Laboratories, drug wholesaler Caremark, insurer MetLife and Managed Care of North America, a dental benefits manager.

Trump’s inaugural committee raised $107 million, more than twice as much as for any previous presidential investiture. President Barack Obama’s 2009 inauguration held the previous record of $53 million.


Ivanka was the one negotiating payments to the Trump Org during the inauguration

Ivanka was the one negotiating between the inaugural committee and the Trump hotel where they were overcharging for every single thing (Easy way to get money from your political campaign and pocket it for yourself)
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So, you had to post links for her.... did I say she was making stuff up? Please site where....

I'm more current on matters that you have no clue about, but that's fine....

Your last article, is hype on maybes, and short on actual facts, so pointless in the least, and inflammatory in the most.

And this caught my eye from your first link....
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Two weeks before Pfizer’s donation, Trump told Time magazine, “I’m going to bring down drug prices.” At the same time, one of his top goals was repealing Obamacare — the Affordable Care Act — and its billions in subsidies for insurance companies and hospitals.
So the drug companies wanted to continue the bonus plan started by Obama with the passage of the PPACA, and Trump wanted to bring drug prices down, and rightfully so, if you've kept current in the cost if life savings drugs, you would understand this.
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