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Old 01-19-2019, 10:56 PM
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A federal judge has found four women guilty of entering a national wildlife refuge without a permit as they sought to place food and water in the Arizona desert for migrants.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Bernardo Velasco’s ruling Friday marked the first conviction against humanitarian aid volunteers in a decade.

The four found guilty of misdemeanors in the recent case were volunteers for No More Deaths, which said in a statement the group had been providing life-saving aid to migrants. The volunteers include Natalie Hoffman, Oona Holcomb, Madeline Huse and Zaachila Orozco-McCormick.

Hoffman was found guilty of operating a vehicle inside Cabeza Prieta National Wildlife Refuge, entering the federally protected area without a permit, and leaving water jugs and cans of beans there in August 2017. The others were found guilty of entering without a permit and leaving behind personal property.
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A federal judge has found four women guilty of entering a national wildlife refuge without a permit...
Everything after that is bullsh*t meant to tugs on heartstrings...Law is above emotions...
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Old 01-20-2019, 03:28 AM
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This is all you need to know...

Everything after that is bullsh*t meant to tugs on heartstrings...Law is above emotions...
nope not at all.

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Friday marked the first conviction against humanitarian aid volunteers in a decade.
Even though there's a humanitarian crises charities aren't allowed leeway to help the needy? It's not like the refuge is packed with people.
Allowances for humanitarian reasons must be made or we are nothing. Not even a country much less the beautiful United States of America.
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For a long time it has been an accepted part of the conventional legal wisdom, translated into one of the principal Standards of Criminal Justice of the American Bar Association, that it is the duty of the prosecutor "to seek justice, not merely to convict." ABA, Standards for Criminal Justice, 3-1.1(c) (1980).
The issue is not the law but instead it's the fact that the prosecution and conviction of four women that were saving lives by their actions was an unjust prosecution. Prosecution for committing a humanitarian act is always an unjust prosecution.

Instead of being prosecuted the government should have been ensuring that these women had the proper permits that would allow them to leave the water and food that is known to save lives.

Note: The federal courts have already ruled that state and federal agents cannot destroy the water or food and must leave it where they find it if they come across it because it saves lives.

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Allowances for humanitarian reasons must be made or we are nothing. Not even a country much less the beautiful United States of America.
The prosecution violated the code of conduct for prosecutors where seeking justice overrides the obtaining of a conviction. The prosecutor in this case should be discharged for abuse of power because they sought a conviction and not justice for the women.
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nope not at all.



Even though there's a humanitarian crises charities aren't allowed leeway to help the needy? It's not like the refuge is packed with people.
Allowances for humanitarian reasons must be made or we are nothing. Not even a country much less the beautiful United States of America.
Finally, a new sheriff in town. One who enforces the law.

They were also guilty of driving a motorized vehicle and littering in a wildlife refuge.
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Finally, a new sheriff in town. One who enforces the law.

They were also guilty of driving a motorized vehicle and littering in a wildlife refuge.
Enforcement of the law? What's wrong with you???

Clearly society cannot degrade to a level of needing full gubmit takeover if we try that policy.
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The issue is not the law but instead it's the fact that the prosecution and conviction of four women that were saving lives by their actions was an unjust prosecution. Prosecution for committing a humanitarian act is always an unjust prosecution.

Instead of being prosecuted the government should have been ensuring that these women had the proper permits that would allow them to leave the water and food that is known to save lives.

Note: The federal courts have already ruled that state and federal agents cannot destroy the water or food and must leave it where they find it if they come across it because it saves lives.

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The issue is the law.

Since when is it the government's responsibility to ensure that you have the proper permits? Or for that matter that you are driving in an authorized area? I've had dozens of government issued permits and licenses. Spent thousands keeping them up to date. Not once has the government notified me a permit was about to expire.
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These women were encouraging people to come into the country illegally through a wildlife preserve. It's human nature... no it's just nature.

If I notice that there are birds in my back yard during the winter and I'm worried about them dying from lack of food, so I put out bird food and water for them, soon my back yard will be filled with birds.

For my backyard, that might be fine. For human traffic through a wildlife preserve, it's not.
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The issue is not the law but instead it's the fact that the prosecution and conviction of four women that were saving lives by their actions was an unjust prosecution. Prosecution for committing a humanitarian act is always an unjust prosecution.

Instead of being prosecuted the government should have been ensuring that these women had the proper permits that would allow them to leave the water and food that is known to save lives.

Note: The federal courts have already ruled that state and federal agents cannot destroy the water or food and must leave it where they find it if they come across it because it saves lives.

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Please provide validation (by credible sources) that this 'saved lives'.
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