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Old 06-11-2018, 10:41 AM
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How can an immigrant take a job The jobs are given by an employer.
As illegal immigration over the last few decades increased a great many jobs that used to be considered transitional work became supplanted by illegals taking lower pay than their American counterparts. This is just a fact.

While it is also a fact that the employers hiring the illegals share blame in this situation stories like the one this thread is about make it hard for anybody to claim this particular problem has not been occurring in the landscaping industry for decades.

I'm curious to see you explain your latest BS claim about the farmers with "vast tracts of land" that are hiding out and supporting illegal aliens. How are these farmers supporting illegal aliens who are supposedly hiding out on their farms? Aside from the depths of your imagination, got anything credible from something approaching a reliable source to provide a scintilla of evidence to back up your ridiculous assertion? Because like FranSevin I call BS.

Why would an illegal alien want to "hide out" on farm lands? There is only work there less than half the year, the crop picking work force is heavily scrutinized by the government and immigration services so a farm operation is probably one of the last places an illegal alien would want to go. Much less live and try to make a living at. And they tend to go where they can get work, in Texas that tends to be cities and towns, not vast stretches of farm land where they would have to live like pioneers. And avoid the farmers that own the land who after all don't care too much for squatters.
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There used to be a program for temporary entry of farm workers called Braceros. Thanks to lobbying led by Caesar Chavez and sympathetic Democrats the program was discontinued incentivizing illegal aliens to take up residence in the US to avoid the risk and expense of crossing the border. It's ironic the illegal alien has been transformed from someone who undercuts wages to innocent victim high school valedictorian. Caesar Chavez is even invoked by pro amnesty groups.
I'm glad you mentioned that. it was a flawed program but it could have been fixed.

Since AZRWinger only lives one city over if he was here then (1990) it hit 122 in Phoenix (and surrounding cities). Nobody want's to work out in it. It regularly gets over 110 here. Except the Mexican (immigrants); will work in that.
Many of them just want to make a nest egg and move back to Mexico where the living is cheap.
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As illegal immigration over the last few decades increased a great many jobs that used to be considered transitional work became supplanted by illegals taking lower pay than their American counterparts. This is just a fact.

While it is also a fact that the employers hiring the illegals share blame in this situation stories like the one this thread is about make it hard for anybody to claim this particular problem has not been occurring in the landscaping industry for decades.

I'm curious to see you explain your latest BS claim about the farmers with "vast tracts of land" that are hiding out and supporting illegal aliens. How are these farmers supporting illegal aliens who are supposedly hiding out on their farms? Aside from the depths of your imagination, got anything credible from something approaching a reliable source to provide a scintilla of evidence to back up your ridiculous assertion? Because like FranSevin I call BS.

Why would an illegal alien want to "hide out" on farm lands? There is only work there less than half the year, the crop picking work force is heavily scrutinized by the government and immigration services so a farm operation is probably one of the last places an illegal alien would want to go. Much less live and try to make a living at. And they tend to go where they can get work, in Texas that tends to be cities and towns, not vast stretches of farm land where they would have to live like pioneers. And avoid the farmers that own the land who after all don't care too much for squatters.
here's Chavez' only legislative campaigns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_...tive_campaigns

Looks like there are still work visas to Arizona:

https://capitalandmain.com/growing-p...onditions-0606
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here's Chavez' only legislative campaigns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_...tive_campaigns

Looks like there are still work visas to Arizona:

https://capitalandmain.com/growing-p...onditions-0606
Chavez died decades ago and in large part a great many of the laws in place today came about because of efforts by him. Of course this has nothing to do with you backing up your ridiculous claim. But if you are intimating that a Wiki link that deals with activities that took place in the 1950's through 1970's it is where your claims come from no wonder they are so absurd. We are in the 21st century now, not the days of days of Chavez some half century ago.

Yeah there are still work visas in all 50 states, which like your Wiki link above has nothing to do with backing up your ignorant opinion about the vast tracks of farmland where the farmers in Texas are not only hiding illegal aliens but in your own words "supporting" them. But this is par for the course with you isn't it? Same thing happened the other night, you just go right off the rails. In this case posting links to material that has nothing to do with what you were challenged about.

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As illegal immigration over the last few decades increased a great many jobs that used to be considered transitional work became supplanted by illegals taking lower pay than their American counterparts. This is just a fact.

While it is also a fact that the employers hiring the illegals share blame in this situation stories like the one this thread is about make it hard for anybody to claim this particular problem has not been occurring in the landscaping industry for decades.

I'm curious to see you explain your latest BS claim about the farmers with "vast tracts of land" that are hiding out and supporting illegal aliens. How are these farmers supporting illegal aliens who are supposedly hiding out on their farms? Aside from the depths of your imagination, got anything credible from something approaching a reliable source to provide a scintilla of evidence to back up your ridiculous assertion? Because like FranSevin I call BS.

Why would an illegal alien want to "hide out" on farm lands? There is only work there less than half the year, the crop picking work force is heavily scrutinized by the government and immigration services so a farm operation is probably one of the last places an illegal alien would want to go. Much less live and try to make a living at. And they tend to go where they can get work, in Texas that tends to be cities and towns, not vast stretches of farm land where they would have to live like pioneers. And avoid the farmers that own the land who after all don't care too much for squatters.
illegal immigration took off with reagan then bush amnesty and decreased under obama
right now there are fighting drug cartels. Refugees from that are asking for safe harbor only to be crapped on by the trump usa.

the second part of your question: they have housing and sustenance. the overseers have quite nice housing with a washer and dryer as part of their deal with the cotton, rice, or whathaveyou grower. usually the workers dont fare that well but evidently its better than where they came from
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illegal immigration took off with reagan then bush amnesty and decreased under obama
right now there are fighting drug cartels and refugees from that asking for safe harbor only to be crapped on by the trump usa.

the second part of your question: they have housing and sustenance. the overseers have quite nice housing with a washer and dryer as part of their deal with the cotton, rice, or whathaveyou grower. usually the workers dont fare that well but evidently its better than where they came from
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they have housing and sustenance. the overseers have quite nice housing with a washer and dryer as part of their deal with the cotton, rice, or whathaveyou grower. usually the workers dont fare that well but evidently its better than where they came from
You are still going on about things that happened back in the 1950's through 1970' as if it were today. It is 2018, wake up. You still have not supplied anything to support your wild arsed claims so you got called on BS and BS is all you seem to have to offer. Much less proof you can follow a conversation for that matter.
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Chavez died decades ago and in large part a great many of the laws in place today came about because of efforts by him. Of course this has nothing to do with you backing up your ridiculous claim. But if you are intimating that a Wiki link that deals with activities that took place in the 1950's through 1970's it is where your claims come from no wonder they are so absurd. We are in the 21st century now, not the days of days of Chavez some half century ago.

Yeah there are still work visas in all 50 states, which like your Wiki link above has nothing to do with backing up your ignorant opinion about the vast tracks of farmland where the farmers in Texas are not only hiding illegal aliens but in your own words "supporting" them. But this is par for the course with you isn't it? Same thing happened the other night, you just go right off the rails. In this case posting links to material that has nothing to do with what you were challenged about.
I was addressing Az, sorry

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There used to be a program for temporary entry of farm workers called Braceros. Thanks to lobbying led by Caesar Chavez and sympathetic Democrats the program was discontinued incentivizing illegal aliens to take up residence in the US to avoid the risk and expense of crossing the border. It's ironic the illegal alien has been transformed from someone who undercuts wages to innocent victim high school valedictorian. Caesar Chavez is even invoked by pro amnesty groups.
here's Chavez' only legislative campaigns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_...tive_campaigns

Looks like there are still work visas to Arizona:

https://capitalandmain.com/growing-p...onditions-0606
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I was addressing Az, sorry

Originally Posted by AZRWinger

here's Chavez' only legislative campaigns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_...tive_campaigns

Looks like there are still work visas to Arizona:

https://capitalandmain.com/growing-p...onditions-0606
Apology accepted but frankly your claims are still BS.
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illegal immigration took off with reagan then bush amnesty and decreased under obama
right now there are fighting drug cartels. Refugees from that are asking for safe harbor only to be crapped on by the trump usa.

the second part of your question: they have housing and sustenance. the overseers have quite nice housing with a washer and dryer as part of their deal with the cotton, rice, or whathaveyou grower. usually the workers dont fare that well but evidently its better than where they came from

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You are still going on about things that happened back in the 1950's through 1970' as if it were today. It is 2018, wake up. You still have not supplied anything to support your wild arsed claims so you got called on BS and BS is all you seem to have to offer. Much less proof you can follow a conversation for that matter.

The past is relevant. We are living with the consequences of the past errors.

That's an interesting link by Capital & Main Saltwn. However the Wikipedia link leads to:
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Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.
Unfortunately there is no easy fix for immigration.
And I don't think a physical fence is the answer. To many geographical problems for one thing.
There are alternatives.
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The past is relevant. We are living with the consequences of the past errors.

That's an interesting link by Capital & Main Saltwn. However the Wikipedia link leads to:
Unfortunately there is no easy fix for immigration.
And I don't think a physical fence is the answer. To many geographical problems for one thing.
There are alternatives.
Of course the past is important. The problem here is that Saltwn has plucked some wild arsed claims from the air that defy common sense and modern reality and laws. But I see a lot of that from her so go figure.

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