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Is this guy an illegal alien who entered our country? No, He is someone we have decided we don't want here after a trial which determined his expulsion.
SO how exactly did a NAZI war criminal get a VISA... and that before or instead of honest Jose' 6-pack from Mexico?
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He is not staying in violation of the law,
So our laws allow convicted enemies of OUR country to roam free?
...Palij served as a guard during World War II at the Trawniki forced labor camp, which also trained those participating in “Operation Reinhard,” a plan to exterminate every Jew in German-occupied Poland. He entered the country in 1949 without divulging his past and was later awarded citizenship, of which he was stripped by a federal judge in 2004 and ordered deported....
here ILLEGALLY


I've got little sympathy for NAZI war criminals.
My solution for Foreign Criminals in general is to Air Drop them BACK where they came from. Whether the home country likes it or not.
We've killed people by air in other countries without invitation, Dropping foreign criminals back home is less egregious BY FAR.

Trump has taken a hard line with the countries that don't accept those that we want to deport Let him follow through here.
the NAZI has indeed "broken the law" far more than just crossing a line without papers
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Germany aint on the list.
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But Palij, now 94, remains a free man because no one else wants him, either. As Rosenbaum told The Daily Beast in an email, “Unfortunately, the governments of Germany, Ukraine and Poland have declined to admit Palij and no other nation has agreed to accept him.”

What would you have us do? I guess we could put him in a row boat and tow him a few miles out. Or maybe dress him up to look Mexican and sneak him in with a batch of deportees, but other than that?
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SO how exactly did a NAZI war criminal get a VISA... and that before or instead of honest Jose' 6-pack from Mexico?

So our laws allow convicted enemies of OUR country to roam free?
...Palij served as a guard during World War II at the Trawniki forced labor camp, which also trained those participating in “Operation Reinhard,” a plan to exterminate every Jew in German-occupied Poland. He entered the country in 1949 without divulging his past and was later awarded citizenship, of which he was stripped by a federal judge in 2004 and ordered deported....
here ILLEGALLY


I've got little sympathy for NAZI war criminals.
My solution for Foreign Criminals in general is to Air Drop them BACK where they came from. Whether the home country likes it or not.
We've killed people by air in other countries without invitation, Dropping foreign criminals back home is less egregious BY FAR.

Trump has taken a hard line with the countries that don't accept those that we want to deport Let him follow through here.
the NAZI has indeed "broken the law" far more than just crossing a line without papers
So he didn't come here illegally. Exactly what I suggested.
A nice try but what I said was correct. And it makes his case different than those who do come here illegally. Which was my point.

You should know better than to try that crap.

As for his war criminal status, which was established after he had received citizenship,,,; I have no sympathy either. But that is another matter and makes it unfair to compare his case to that of those who sneaked in.

Which was your point.

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SO how exactly did a NAZI war criminal get a VISA... and that before or instead of honest Jose' 6-pack from Mexico?

So our laws allow convicted enemies of OUR country to roam free?
...Palij served as a guard during World War II at the Trawniki forced labor camp, which also trained those participating in “Operation Reinhard,” a plan to exterminate every Jew in German-occupied Poland. He entered the country in 1949 without divulging his past and was later awarded citizenship, of which he was stripped by a federal judge in 2004 and ordered deported....
here ILLEGALLY


I've got little sympathy for NAZI war criminals.
My solution for Foreign Criminals in general is to Air Drop them BACK where they came from. Whether the home country likes it or not.
We've killed people by air in other countries without invitation, Dropping foreign criminals back home is less egregious BY FAR.

Trump has taken a hard line with the countries that don't accept those that we want to deport Let him follow through here.
the NAZI has indeed "broken the law" far more than just crossing a line without papers
He was found to have made false statements on his application for citizenship not for war crimes but for lying about his possible involvement in them. That's why he was ordered deported instead of being sentenced to a US prison.

A deportation order doesn't necessarily mean deportation, there are multiple appeals available assuming the illegal alien doesn't simply flee into the country. Obama's Auntie Z who he wrote about glowingly in his first book lived for nearly 5 years in public housing, completely dependent on welfare, with round the clock dedicated police protection before her deportation order appeal was granted.

When you say we ought to air drop illegals back in their home country, what does that mean? Unlike previous administrations Trump's State department levy's consequences for foreign governments refusing to take back their citizens. But there is a limit to what can be done.
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He was found to have made false statements on his application for citizenship not for war crimes but for lying about his possible involvement in them. That's why he was ordered deported instead of being sentenced to a US prison.
...In 1948, the Congress, distressed by the influx of so many Jewish immigrants, passed the Displaced Persons Act (DPA), which concentrated on admitting all types of European refugees, thus submerging the Jewish survivors in a flood of non-Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe. Although about two-thirds of the displaced persons admitted under the Truman order were Jewish, only about sixteen percent of those admitted under the later DPA were Jewish. The DPA, and the 1950 amended version, admitted several hundred thousand East European refugees.21 Of course, the DPA did exclude Nazi collaborators. It barred those who "assisted the enemy in persecuting civil populations"; and the 1950 amendment excluded those who "advocated or assisted in the persecution of any person because of race, religion or national origin."22 However, considering the masses of East European displaced persons processed for immigration between 1948 and 1952, such prohibitions were almost impossible to enforce. ... many war criminals entered the United States and eventually became citizens by hiding their past and masquerading as anticommunist displaced persons.

During the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, the Government of the United States made no serious attempt to enforce the law. Those war criminals who had entered the country in violation of the explicit prohibitions of the Act continued to reside here without difficulty; in due course they qualified for citizenship-again in violation of existing law, which required among other things "good moral character...."
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He's here Illegally He snuck in just as illegally as any Mexican.
I've been told that "Illegal" is "Illegal" so that makes him a Law breaking, Illegal, Criminal and NEVER a legit citizen or a legal visitor. according to Trump and MAGA folks this is completely unacceptable.

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A deportation order doesn't necessarily mean deportation, there are multiple appeals available assuming the illegal alien doesn't simply flee into the country. Obama's Auntie Z who he wrote about glowingly in his first book lived for nearly 5 years in public housing, completely dependent on welfare, with round the clock dedicated police protection before her deportation order appeal was granted.
It amazes me that some of you guys are looking EVERY loophole and thin justification why this guy should remain here.
...they don't want him back
...He's not like "real" illegals,
...Obama's Auntie did it.
...deportation doesn't mean deportation
...a sneaky lying NAZI war criminal is different from sneaky boarder crossing working man.
Sheesh Louise

Why not give all the OTHER MILLIONS of illegals all of, and every possible benny of the doubt and legal get out of jail free card that you're willing to grant a NAZI war criminal?
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When you say we ought to air drop illegals back in their home country, what does that mean? Unlike previous administrations Trump's State department levy's consequences for foreign governments refusing to take back their citizens. But there is a limit to what can be done.
as i said, we fly planes and drones over many foreign countries and kill their citizens without permission TODAY.
That is illegal but we do it. That should be beyond the limit of what can be done. (it's an act of war really) But few on the left and fewer on right are complaining about it.
So clearly returning foreign citizens ALIVE to their home countries without the coutry's permission should not be considered something beyond the limits of what can be done.
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...In 1948, the Congress, distressed by the influx of so many Jewish immigrants, passed the Displaced Persons Act (DPA), which concentrated on admitting all types of European refugees, thus submerging the Jewish survivors in a flood of non-Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe. Although about two-thirds of the displaced persons admitted under the Truman order were Jewish, only about sixteen percent of those admitted under the later DPA were Jewish. The DPA, and the 1950 amended version, admitted several hundred thousand East European refugees.21 Of course, the DPA did exclude Nazi collaborators. It barred those who "assisted the enemy in persecuting civil populations"; and the 1950 amendment excluded those who "advocated or assisted in the persecution of any person because of race, religion or national origin."22 However, considering the masses of East European displaced persons processed for immigration between 1948 and 1952, such prohibitions were almost impossible to enforce. ... many war criminals entered the United States and eventually became citizens by hiding their past and masquerading as anticommunist displaced persons.

During the 1950s, 1960s, and early 1970s, the Government of the United States made no serious attempt to enforce the law. Those war criminals who had entered the country in violation of the explicit prohibitions of the Act continued to reside here without difficulty; in due course they qualified for citizenship-again in violation of existing law, which required among other things "good moral character...."
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He's here Illegally He snuck in just as illegally as any Mexican.
I've been told that "Illegal" is "Illegal" so that makes him a Law breaking, Illegal, Criminal and NEVER a legit citizen or a legal visitor. according to Trump and MAGA folks this is completely unacceptable.



It amazes me that some of you guys are looking EVERY loophole and thin justification why this guy should remain here.
...they don't want him back
...He's not like "real" illegals,
...Obama's Auntie did it.
...deportation doesn't mean deportation
...a sneaky lying NAZI war criminal is different from sneaky boarder crossing working man.
Sheesh Louise

Why not give all the OTHER MILLIONS of illegals all of, and every possible benny of the doubt and legal get out of jail free card that you're willing to grant a NAZI war criminal?
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He may be NAZI but but but don't forget Obama's Auntie she cost the guberment money too...--
... sheesh... Lord have mercy.



as i said, we fly planes and drones over many foreign countries and kill their citizens without permission TODAY.
That is illegal but we do it. That should be beyond the limit of what can be done. (it's an act of war really) But few on the left and fewer on right are complaining about it.
So clearly returning foreign citizens ALIVE to their home countries without the coutry's permission should not be considered something beyond the limits of what can be done.
Kindly point out the text in my comment where I asserted the Nazi ought to be allowed to stay or claimed that he wasn't here illegally. It isn't there. Good Lord, your rant is nothing but a strawman.

The OP and most of the comments denounced ICE for not deporting the as if his war crimes had been proven in court the deportation order could not be appealed. Neither is true, it is more fake news smearing.

We have 11 million or more illegal aliens living here we are told cannot be deported because in part it would take too long to exhaust their appeals but it is a scandal that the INS doesn't deny this person's appeals and deport them immediately.

None of the so-called comprehensive immigration reform Bill's proposed by Democrats either reduce the appeals process or allow deportation while the order is being appealed. Obama proposed expanding the number of taxpayer provided lawyers to clog the courts further while the illegals run free in the US. We can't change the system even to allow deportation while the order is being appealed for the "good" illegals but an accused Nazi it is a scandal of they are not deported immediately.

Under Obama illegal alien criminals, convicted of crimes in the US, were simply released into the population when their home country refused to take them back. The INS claimed they had no choice while Hillary's state department did nothing. The release of tens of thousands of known criminal illegal aliens gathered little attention but the last Nazi well that's a scandal.

Under Trump when the home country refuses to take illegal aliens back they risk losing US Visa privileges. There is a significant penalty.
The mechanics of a home country denying repatriation are simple. Unlike the US most other countries treat their immigration laws like laws not advisory suggestions. Are we supposed to dispatch a SEAL team to covertly insert the deportees in their home country when they refuse to repatriate their own?
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