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That's obviously not what I was talking about.
But I understand your ploy to avoid the challenge and ignore right-wing hypocrisy. You guys will scream and yell about supposed "left-wing" using a tragedy. You'll ignore how your own side perpetuates that.
And you'll ignore when Russians perpetuate it, because it's politically convenient to do so...
Got it, now you are attempting to hold me responsible for something that somebody else (not me) has said or done.
By the way, I'm not sure what "side" you think I am on. My voter registration card clearly states that I am unaffiliated.
I've mentioned this before (you may not have seen it because you probably don't read every post), I didn't cast a vote for president in 2016 because I didn't think any of the candidates was worthy of my vote. I really wanted to vote Libertarian but Gary Johnson is a buffoon.
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Got it, now you are attempting to hold me responsible for something that somebody else (not me) has said or done.
By the way, I'm not sure what "side" you think I am on. My voter registration card clearly states that I am unaffiliated.
I've mentioned this before (you may not have seen it because you probably don't read every post), I didn't cast a vote for president in 2016 because I didn't think any of the candidates was worthy of my vote. I really wanted to vote Libertarian but Gary Johnson is a buffoon.
I didn't even talk about the last election, but of course pretend that's what it was about...

So how about you just explicitly state your opinion on the issue of gun control.
Do you think that Democrats / gun control supporters are "using" the Parkland shooting tragedy?
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I didn't even talk about the last election, but of course pretend that's what it was about...

So how about you just explicitly state your opinion on the issue of gun control.
Do you think that Democrats / gun control supporters are "using" the Parkland shooting tragedy?
I read this earlier, so I'll jump in..

If It Felt Like the Children's Crusade Was a Joint Hollywood-Media-DNC Production With Billion Dollar Backers, That's Because That's Exactly What It Was

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Several large progressive organizations, donors, and a high-powered public relations firm are backing the March for Our Lives movement, which is quickly evolving from a student-run social media effort to end gun violence into one backed by some of the most influential activists in the country.

In the days after the shooting in Parkland, Florida, that killed 17 people, the teenage survivors of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were impossible to ignore. They blanketed cable news coverage, built a massive following on social media, and began to organize a rally in the country's capital in support of gun reform.

Barely two weeks ago, the student survivors sat in a circle in the living room of one of their parents' homes, planning a trip to Tallahassee to meet with lawmakers and handling nitty-gritty matters like which media outlets to talk to.

Since then, major players and organizations 00 including Everytown, Giffords, Move On, Planned Parenthood, and the Women�s March LA 00 told BuzzFeed News they are helping the students with logistics, strategy, and planning for next month's March for Our Lives rally and beyond. Much of the specific resources the groups are providing to the Parkland students remains unclear-- as is the full list of supporting organizations-- but there are broad outlines.
Giffords is a group started by Gabby Giffords to push gun restrictions.

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Everytown for Gun Safety 00 bankrolled mostly by Michael Bloomberg -- recently secured a $1 million donation from entrepreneur and philanthropist Eli Broad.

MoveOn said it will encourage its millions of members to follow and promote the March for Our Lives movement on social media and attend the rally next month. The group said it had offered support in organizing logistics such as security and portable toilets, but it is unclear if the students have taken them up on their offer.

A spokesperson for Planned Parenthood said the group is "teaching and hosting training"� for young activists across the US "to keep momentum going so they don't get burned out."

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Democratic US Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Broward County resident for nearly 30 years, told BuzzFeed News she has been in touch with students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas since the day after the shooting, helping them connect to state legislators and plan their trip to Tallahassee last week.

Wasserman Schultz said that because this is the first time many of the students have interacted with legislators, she advised them on communication strategy. She also said she been in contact with Mark Kelly --Gabrielle Giffords' husband and one of the founders of the Giffords foundation.

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The American Federation of Teachers, which helped bus students and parents to Tallahassee multiple times last week, are now assisting with the March for Our Lives rally. The federation's president told BuzzFeed News that they are also helping support next month's march as well as helping to shape the vision and mission for the group once the rally is over.

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After that, she says the goal is to carry that momentum until November -- with some of the students already using the hashtag #VoteThemOut.

"We are also marching towards midterms," she said, adding that the activists intend for gun control and student safety to be a major platform and key issue for voters in the midterm elections.

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42West, a PR firm that usually works with the entertainment industry, is now helping the students and parents manage their new careers in entertainment.
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42West is not providing the students with legal advice or financial advice, the spokesperson said, and refused to provide details on who is helping manage the millions of dollars in donations they have received.

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In addition to the millions of dollars raised by A-list celebrities including Oprah, George and Amal Clooney, Steven Spielberg, and Jeffrey Katzenberg, the March for Our Lives GoFundMe page has raised an additional $2.7 million as of Tuesday.
David Hines --@hradzka on Twitter -- discussed this on that platform. Below are his comments, taken out of Twitter format.

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* Debbie Wassermann Schultz aiding Tallahassee lobbying
* Teacher's union getting buses to Tallahassee

* Bloomberg's guys and Women's March working on march

* MoveOn on social media promotion, offer of march logistics

* Planned Parenthood doing trainings for student activists

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This is what organization that gets results actually looks like. Not a bunch of magical kids in somebody's living room. And it was right off the bat; Wassermann Schultz was there working hard on day 2.


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The president of the American Federation of Teachers tells Buzzfeed they're also behind the national school walkout. I'd thought teachers were supposed to get kids *into* school, but maybe that's just me.

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But what strikes me about all this isn't the organization -- if you start reading books about organizing, it becomes pretty clear how all this works.

What strikes me is that *no journalist covering the story wrote about this stuff for two weeks.*


Every story on the organizing for two weeks was about the kids. I lost track of the number of bluechecks I've seen rhapsodizing over the Parkland kids, and how organized they were, and how effective. The WSJ said it was because they were born on social media; it was instinctive.

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But this stuff isn't instinctive. It's skilled work; you have to learn how to do it, and it takes really a lot of people. You don't just get a few magical kids who're amazing and naturally good at it.

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The big tip-off for *anybody* should have been the $500K donations from Oprah and George Clooney. They don't give money on a whim; somebody they knew called them and asked.

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I didn't even talk about the last election, but of course pretend that's what it was about...

So how about you just explicitly state your opinion on the issue of gun control.
Do you think that Democrats / gun control supporters are "using" the Parkland shooting tragedy?
You talked about what side I was on (in your opinion). You used the term "you guys". You assigned what others have said in an attempt to apply what they said to me ("your side", "you guys").

Do you think "Democrats / gun control supporters" are one and the same? Your question seems to indicate that.

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Do you think that Democrats / gun control supporters are "using" the Parkland shooting tragedy?
I think many people are using the Parkland tragedy to further an agenda that they believe in.
Do you?
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