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Old 01-25-2018, 02:12 AM
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I put this in the "Law & Order" section for a specific reason...

SKIP the fact that Kerry might run and pay attention to the blue bolded...

John Kerry considering presidential run in 2020: report

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Former Secretary of State John Kerry is considering a second run for president in 2020 to take on President Trump, according to comments reported by the Israel newspaper Maariv.

According to the report, Kerry told Palestinian officials that he was strongly considering a run in 2020, and hinted that Trump will likely not be in office much longer in strongly-worded conversation Wednesday.

"Hold on and be strong,” Kerry told the interviewer, a close associate of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, adding that he should tell Abbas "that he should stay strong in his spirit and play for time, that he will not break and will not yield to President [Donald] Trump’s demands.”
Ummm...Hey Liberals!!!

Remember all of those calls from Leftyland accusing president-elect Trump and former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, of "meddling" because he was talking to foreigners when Obama was still president?...

Huh?....Anyone remember the calls for the Logan Act to be rained down on The Donald, and more specifically, Flynn?...

I'll refresh your memory...

Why the Trump Team Should Fear the Logan Act

What Is the Logan Act and What Does It Have to Do With Flynn?

Flynn charge suggests arcane law is 'leverage' for special counsel investigation

RedState, himself, started a thread with the Logan Act brought up right here on this very forum...

Flynn phoned Russian Ambassador on day sanctions were announced

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If Flynn was trying to undercut what Obama was doing by reassuring the Russians Trump would undo the sanctions, this is a violation of the Logan Act.

The Logan Act (18 U.S.C. 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments having a dispute with the U.S. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position. Penalty is up to 3 years in federal prison.
So...

Will there be calls for Kerry to be convicted under the Logan Act?????...

Or, just as with everything else in life, when it's a Democrat, it's "different"?...

cnredd note - I think the idea of convicting either Flynn or Kerry (or anyone else) under the Logan Act stupid....This thread is to show the hypocrisy of the Left when they race to accuse the other side, but will see no issue, here, with a private citizen meeting with foreign dignitaries and EXPLICITLY undermining the policy of the current president when it's "their guy"...
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Kerry Violated the Logan act and the military code of ethics, when he negotiated with the North Vietnamese delegations in Paris during the war in Vietnam. He wasn't held accountable then. Why would he be held accountable now.

Let him run. We could use the fodder his politics represent.
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Haha. I was right about Flynn too and you were wrong. I tell you what, if Kerry works with Palestine to get elected President and promises things in exchange for dirt on his political opponents then I'll be right here with yahs. Until then this is a really stupid comparison. And you know it.
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And why.....??


Another total waste of time and funding....


Ground Hogs Day all over again....
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I tell you what, if Kerry works with Palestine to get elected President and promises things in exchange for dirt on his political opponents then I'll be right here with yahs.
No...

Laws aren't created saying "Well let's see if the crime works, first."...

Interfering and undermining IS the crime...

From the Logan Act, which, I showed, YOU QUOTED, in the OP...

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The Logan Act (18 U.S.C. 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments having a dispute with the U.S. It was intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position. Penalty is up to 3 years in federal prison.
Kerry DIRECTLY undermined the government's position when he instructed Abbas to "play or time" and wait out the current president's term...

You were the one who claimed Flynn broke the Logan Act when Flynn talked to the Russians about sanctions...

So....Have they been lifted yet?...

So even in your own world, Flynn is guilty when the results of the alleged crime hasn't panned out, yet you sit there and say "Kerry is innocent unless what he says pans out."...

TOTAL hypocrisy...
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No...

Laws aren't created saying "Well let's see if the crime works, first."...

Interfering and undermining IS the crime...

From the Logan Act, which, I showed, YOU QUOTED, in the OP...

Kerry DIRECTLY undermined the government's position when he instructed Abbas to "play or time" and wait out the current president's term...

You were the one who claimed Flynn broke the Logan Act when Flynn talked to the Russians about sanctions...

So....Have they been lifted yet?...

So even in your own world, Flynn is guilty when the results of the alleged crime hasn't panned out, yet you sit there and say "Kerry is innocent unless what he says pans out."...

TOTAL hypocrisy...

Couple of things that you are purposely being dense on.

1. Kerry did not personally speak with anyone nor did he make any agreemant. He was simply speaking his opinion which he is allowed to do.

2. Flynn called up the Russians and made a deal which undermined current policy.

3. Some sanctions have been lifted, but others which were supposed to be signed by tRUmp never were.

4. Isn't it funny how that one little phone call is going to end up leading to obstruction of justice charges for tRUmp.
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Couple of things that you are purposely being dense on.

1. Kerry did not personally speak with anyone nor did he make any agreemant. He was simply speaking his opinion which he is allowed to do.

2. Flynn called up the Russians and made a deal which undermined current policy.

3. Some sanctions have been lifted, but others which were supposed to be signed by tRUmp never were.

4. Isn't it funny how that one little phone call is going to end up leading to obstruction of justice charges for tRUmp.
Kerry gave an interview to someone known to have close ties to the Palestinian leader. He wasn't stating his opinion, he was urging the Palestinians to undercut US foreign policy out of hatred for President Trump. That is a clear violation of the Logan act.

Flynn didn't make a deal with the Russians, he urged them not to overreact to Obama's politicized sanctions and promised the sanctions would be reviewed after the President elect was sworn in. That is a far cry from Kerry's resist Trump message.

Trump deciding to not sign off on leftover sanctions from Obama is a product of him winning the election not proof of conspiracy.

The desperation of the Resistance is on full display with the fevered dream of Trump being charged with obstruction of justice over his conversation with Comey. Funny how part of the conversation where Trump agreed with Comey the investigation should continue is ignored.
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