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Just like this article says, most people will have a knee-jerk reaction to the idea of doing away with police. The problem I have in general with police is not just that they sometimes literally get away with murder, but that most of their activities are geared toward collecting revenue for the state rather than fighting crimes.

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Police are under no obligation to protect the public they putatively serve — a series of state and Supreme Court decisions stretching back more than three decades indisputably establish this fact — so the lingering question, ‘who will protect us?’ is of no consequence to the case for dismantling every police department in the nation.

On the contrary, police kill, maim, intimidate, harass, and generally brutalize the citizenry with alarming frequency — and rarely face consequences beyond a paid vacation farcically termed ‘administrative leave’ for doing so.

Rather than fight and solve violent crimes, police act as little more than heavily militarized code-enforcers, or as David Graeber of the London School of Economics aptly terms, “bureaucrats with weapons” — protecting us from broken tail lights, missing front license plates, and imperfect lane changes more often than from robbery, homicide, and rape.

Are police a necessary element in an ordered, peaceful society?

In short, the answer is no — absolutely not — largely because police spend such little time policing anything other than ridiculous laws created solely for the purpose of revenue generation to justify their own existence.

“The police spend very little of their time dealing with violent criminals — indeed, police sociologists report that only about 10% of the average police officer’s time is devoted to criminal matters of any kind. Most of the remaining 90% is spent dealing with infractions of various administrative codes and regulations: all those rules about how and where one can eat, drink, smoke, sell, sit, walk, and drive. If two people punch each other, or even draw a knife on each other, police are unlikely to get involved. Drive down the street in a car without license plates, on the other hand, and the authorities will show up instantly, threatening all sorts of dire consequences if you don’t do exactly what they tell you.

“The police, then, are essentially just bureaucrats with weapons. Their main role in society is to bring the threat of physical force — even, death — into situations where it never would have been otherwise invoked, such as the enforcement of civic ordinances about the sale of untaxed cigarettes.”

This overcriminalization of, well, living, has exploded prison populations and adversarial policing to a profoundly negative effect. In the beginning of 2015, the number of federal criminal laws exceeded 4,500 — over 27,000 pages of United States federal code — with Congress creating crimes where none previously existed at a rate of 50 new criminal laws each year. And that only covers federal law — add state and local criminal codes and it’s estimated the average American unknowingly commits three felonies every day.

According to the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, “our nation’s addiction to criminalization backlogs our judiciary, overflows our prisons, and forces innocent individuals to plead guilty not because they actually are, but because exercising their constitutional right to a trial is prohibitively expensive and too much of a risk.”

These purported crimes, however, largely have nothing at all to do with true harm committed against another — though brutal responses by police and filled-beyond-capacity prisons would have you thinking otherwise. With just 5 percent of the world’s population, the U.S. incarcerates no less than 25 percent of the world’s prisoners. This stunning surplus of criminal law, coupled with the government’s military equipment giveaway to law enforcement departments which have little need for it, has put the populace in the altogether dangerous position of being 58 times more likely to be killed by an officer of the law than by a terrorist.
You can read the entire article here: It's Time to Imagine a Post-Police World -- Here's Why Abolishing the Police is Not a Crazy Idea

I'd have no problem with a police force that limited itself to going after crimes that actually have a victim, helping out stranded motorists, and actually providing a variety of useful services, but since most of their job involves harassing and fining people for victimless "crimes" I have a problem seeing any reason to respect them for these activities.
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I'd have no problem with a police force that limited itself to going after crimes that actually have a victim, helping out stranded motorists, and actually providing a variety of useful services, but since most of their job involves harassing and fining people for victimless "crimes" I have a problem seeing any reason to respect them for these activities.
I agree with this, especially the bolded.
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Just like this article says, most people will have a knee-jerk reaction to the idea of doing away with police. The problem I have in general with police is not just that they sometimes literally get away with murder, but that most of their activities are geared toward collecting revenue for the state rather than fighting crimes.


You can read the entire article here: It's Time to Imagine a Post-Police World -- Here's Why Abolishing the Police is Not a Crazy Idea

I'd have no problem with a police force that limited itself to going after crimes that actually have a victim, helping out stranded motorists, and actually providing a variety of useful services, but since most of their job involves harassing and fining people for victimless "crimes" I have a problem seeing any reason to respect them for these activities.
at least give them better training.
hey! we see that a "thinking" QB is good, why not a "thinking cop?"
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Horrible idea...

First, just the mere presence of law enforcement has prevented crime...

Second, it hurts the citizens in good standing...

Third, it's an incentive for criminals to proceed with impunity...



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Police are under no obligation to protect the public they putatively serve — a series of state and Supreme Court decisions stretching back more than three decades indisputably establish this fact — so the lingering question, ‘who will protect us?’ is of no consequence to the case for dismantling every police department in the nation.
It's late in the year, but this takes the title for dumbest sentence of the year...

Just because some courts say that police are under no obligation to protect the public, that does NOT mean they don't do it anyway...
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Horrible idea...

First, just the mere presence of law enforcement has prevented crime...

Second, it hurts the citizens in good standing...

Third, it's an incentive for criminals to proceed with impunity...



It's late in the year, but this takes the title for dumbest sentence of the year...

Just because some courts say that police are under no obligation to protect the public, that does NOT mean they don't do it anyway...
and if they dont there is no recourse for them that pays em.
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