ACLU changes Free Speech defense policy

waltky · #1 (**permalink**) 08-18-2017, 11:24 PM

Looks like the skin-heads & neo-nazi's are losing their legal support...

ACLU Will No Longer Automatically Defend Free Speech For Groups With Firearms
8/18/2017 - The ACLU will no longer automatically defend free speech for groups that use firearms during protests, according to a statement released Thursday by the civil liberties group.

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This declaration from the ACLU comes days after the Charlottesville rally, reported The Wall Street Journal. “It’s neither a blanket no or a blanket yes,” said Anthony Romero, the ACLU’s executive director, to The Wall Street Journal. “The events of Charlottesville require any judge, any police chief and any legal group to look at the facts of any white-supremacy protests with a much finer comb.” “If a protest group insists, ‘No, we want to be able to carry loaded firearms,’ well, we don’t have to represent them. They can find someone else.”

Romero argued that the decision would coalesce with the organization’s 2015 policy to support “reasonable” firearm regulation. The ACLU sued the D.C. metro system earlier in August for banning ads from PETA and Milo Yiannopoulos.

ACLU Will Scrutinize Groups With Firearms | The Daily Caller

mr wonder · #2 (**permalink**) 01-16-2018, 08:39 AM

that's there right.

but goes to show they aren't "neutral" they've never been.
frankly no one is.

FrancSevin · #3 (**permalink**) 01-16-2018, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mr. wonder

that's there right.

but goes to show they aren't "neutral" they've never been.
frankly no one is.

What I do not understand is that the Charlottesville matter wasn't about guns but free speech, on all sides.

The subject was a civil war statue.

The fatality was the result of a "vehicle"

Where do "gun rights' come in?

Methinks the ACLU needed an excuse to justify their now apparent bias.

These learned lawyers have determined the 2nd is not the law of the land, it's not a "civil right."

Perhaps they should ask their law schools for a refund.

foundit66 · #4 (**permalink**) 01-16-2018, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

What I do not understand is that the Charlottesville matter wasn't about guns but free speech, on all sides.

If you are truly looking to understand their position, then you seriously need to evaluate your statement there...

If the issue was truly about free speech, then why the guns?
The honest recognition is that the guns were a form of intimidation. A show of force harkening back to the days of nazis and KKK members who weren't interested in "free speech", but rather interested in intimidation.

THAT is at the heart of the ACLU move.

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

The subject was a civil war statue.

This comment is like trying to understand geometry and insisting the issue is a banana.
You are inserting your own focus into this while assuming (incorrectly) the motivation of the ACLU.

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

The fatality was the result of a "vehicle"
Where do "gun rights' come in?

See above.

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Methinks the ACLU needed an excuse to justify their now apparent bias.

And the truth is that the ACLU has represented people all over the political spectrum, so the repeated whinings about "bias" from the right are boring and predictable.

The ACLU represents somebody from the right?
The right complains the ACLU is finally doing its job.
The ACLU represents somebody from the left?
The right complains the ACLU is showing its bias.

It's a boring and redactive trick that doesn't fool those who are actually paying attention.

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

These learned lawyers have determined the 2nd is not the law of the land, it's not a "civil right."
Perhaps they should ask their law schools for a refund.

Funny how you arrive at that conclusion while completely ignoring what they actually said...

Manitou · #5 (**permalink**) 01-16-2018, 11:37 AM

I'm trying really, really hard to give a rat's ass about anything dealing with the baboons of the ACLU.

FrancSevin · #6 (**permalink**) 01-16-2018, 04:48 PM

Wonder how they will deal with defense ofthis guy?

Armed Antifa PROFESSOR Admits to Chasing Charlottesville Driver With Rifle BEFORE DEADLY CRASH!

As the worm turns....

foundit66 · #7 (**permalink**) 01-16-2018, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FrancSevin

Wonder how they will deal with defense ofthis guy?
Armed Antifa PROFESSOR Admits to Chasing Charlottesville Driver With Rifle BEFORE DEADLY CRASH!
As the worm turns....

Talk about non-topical...

Considering there is no mention of charges for the claim nor even of ACLU involvement, this is obviously a derailment attempt from FS.

AZRWinger · #8 (**permalink**) 01-18-2018, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

If you are truly looking to understand their position, then you seriously need to evaluate your statement there...

If the issue was truly about free speech, then why the guns?
The honest recognition is that the guns were a form of intimidation. A show of force harkening back to the days of nazis and KKK members who weren't interested in "free speech", but rather interested in intimidation.

THAT is at the heart of the ACLU move.

This comment is like trying to understand geometry and insisting the issue is a banana.
You are inserting your own focus into this while assuming (incorrectly) the motivation of the ACLU.

See above.

And the truth is that the ACLU has represented people all over the political spectrum, so the repeated whinings about "bias" from the right are boring and predictable.

The ACLU represents somebody from the right?
The right complains the ACLU is finally doing its job.
The ACLU represents somebody from the left?
The right complains the ACLU is showing its bias.

It's a boring and redactive trick that doesn't fool those who are actually paying attention.

Funny how you arrive at that conclusion while completely ignoring what they actually said...

Those who are actually paying attention to the ACLU collapsing under the weight of Stalinist tactics applied by the Left to justify violent repression of free speech would be able to see the new policy as nothing but a betrayal of bedrock principles they espouse. The ACLU's statement of surrender to political correctness specifically cites Charlottesville and hate groups as the driving factor for their policy change. It is absurd to claim their new policy will be applied equally to violent Left wing groups.

The ACLU intervened in court on behalf of protesters against the city council's decision to remove a monument from a city park. The court issued an order requiring the city to issue a permit for the protesters to exercise their free speech rights in the park. The protest did not involve 2nd amendment rights.

The ACLU nonsense about the 2nd amendment harkens back to the Democrat supported KKK backed laws designed to prevent blacks from owning firearms. The ACLU now seeks to appease the violent Left by standing aside while another unpopular minority is stripped of their rights.

FrancSevin · #9 (**permalink**) 01-18-2018, 06:34 PM

The ACLU is supposedly committed to protecting "every" American's civil rights under the Constitution.

The 2nd is a civil right guaranteed under the Constitution.

So it now appears, not only are they selecting who's civil rights they will protect, but also selecting what civil rights they will protect.

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