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They do. And they did.
Black market pot involves real criminals. Often violent ones. That's why they busted some 74 of them.
Get a clue.


Like any criminals if you try to beat them when dealing with them yea they can be violent.

Or when cornered.. But if it were me when cornered. I would just to the police as once they are that far into it they have you.. need to add to the charges.

And if beat by a buyer. Well why be violent. Just get even. THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS KNEW WERE MY BUYERS LIVED. Opps Cap locks, sorry.

When I was in to dealing I had my word to keep. I could get a pound of pot on credit and did most of the time. And when your buying for the police well few want to play foul.. Enough said..
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Like any criminals if you try to beat them when dealing with them yea they can be violent.

Or when cornered.. But if it were me when cornered. I would just to the police as once they are that far into it they have you.. need to add to the charges.

And if beat by a buyer. Well why be violent. Just get even. THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS KNEW WERE MY BUYERS LIVED. Opps Cap locks, sorry.

When I was in to dealing I had my word to keep. I could get a pound of pot on credit and did most of the time. And when your buying for the police well few want to play foul.. Enough said..
I myself cannot speak from the experience of dealing pot. I'll leave that advice to you.

But as for dealing with the effects of pot on my employees, I would rather deal with an alcoholic. Terminating an alcoholic is a relatively easy procedure. Dealing with a pot head who challenges his right to use,,,; puts you in legal trouble. Depending on what state you are in, the political mood of the Courts where you are, and how the police handle the scene when you call them to cart off the SOB that just tried to attack you physically.

And if they were a minority, best contact your lawyer because you will be hearing from theirs. And nine times out of ten, they will win their unemployment claim as well.

At the end of the day, I have had reasonable success assisting alcoholics stay on the wagon. Not once with pot heads.
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Sessions is what worries you? The fact that despite making pot legal, the criminals are still active in CO doesn't?

I thought decriminalizing a victimless crime would stop pot crimes.

It doesn't.

And the worry is that the Feds might do their job and continue prosecuting the war on drugs.
Hmmm actually the crime didn't occur in Colorado, it occurred when the marijuana left Colorado to go to prohibited states. The pot was being grown "legally" in Colorado and then diverted into the black market when it left the state.

The prohibition creates the crime. What part of that didn't America learn during the Prohibition era. Drinking actually went up and not down during prohibition and organized crime activity increased throughout the nation.

The War on Drugs has been a complete failure. It didn't stop crime, it created crime, it didn't stop use, it increased use. It corrupted law enforcement that violated the rights of more people than the criminals did.

I want to teach people about pricing in the black market. This is based upon 1970's information and it relates to cocaine and not heroin but it provides some insight into the pricing of illegal drugs.

One of my best friends was a salesman for Mallinckrodt Pharmaceuticals that sold pharmaceutical cocaine that was prescribed for certain cancer pain relief. At the time a kilo of pharmaceutical cocaine that is 98% pure with a hydrochloride buffer sold for about $120 as I recall. A kilo of cocaine is a huge amount of cocaine that would last a long time for even the heaviest users. $120..... and the street value for that $120 was about $100,000 if sold by the gram. The same drug is worth 1,000-times more on the black market than when it's sold legally in the United States.

Now let's relate that to property crimes for people that are addicts to something like heroin. They need $100 worth of heroin so they're going to burglarize a house, steal things they can sell, sell what they steal so they have $100. So they break into a home, usually vacant but it might not be and then endanger the person in the home. They haul off a ton of things worth money and when they go to the "fence" that will purchase the goods so what happens. First of all they're used goods so they're only worth half of retail value, and then the fence will only pay ten cents on the dollar.

The heroin addict basically needs to steal $2,000 worth of property to end up with $100 to purchase ten cents worth of a drug if it's manufactured legally.

All of this because someone says that a person doing heroin can be harmful to themselves because if they could get the heroin for ten cents they wouldn't be breaking into anyone's home and endangering anyone and they'd be the only person that's endangered.

I refer to this as the 1000 to 1 cost of drug prohibition. The laws create a problem 1,000-times greater than the problem is if the law doesn't exist.

The war on drugs doesn't make sense and it's never made sense from any rational perspective. Law enforcement cites the crimes created because of the prohibition to justify the prohibition and only idiots buy into that argument.
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Like any criminals if you try to beat them when dealing with them yea they can be violent.

Or when cornered.. But if it were me when cornered. I would just to the police as once they are that far into it they have you.. need to add to the charges.
Things may have changed over time because of the "War on Drugs" that's resulted in much stiffer penalties (e.g. a life sentence for a third felony conviction of marijuana for sale) as well as the fact that organized crime is not involved in marijuana and it really wasn't back in the 1960'd and 1970's.

Back then marijuana, grown domestically and smuggled into the country, was done by an almost amateur class of criminals. If law enforcement happened to catch them they just raised their hands and surrendered even if they had a ton of marijuana because the first offense generally resulted in "time-served" waiting for trial (or no time if they got bailed out) and a year of probation.

The criminal penalty was not a draconian jail sentence and the smugglers and dealers were often young white men from middle class families "earning a living" based upon their life style. They were referred to as "dealers" and not as "pushers" that dealt in the hard drugs like heroin and cocaine.

When the government raised the stakes by imposing draconian prison sentences that probably changed. It's one thing to give up and get probation or even six months in jail and a completely different matter if the person is looking at 10-20 years if convicted. I personally believe that's when the gangs stepped in and took over marijuana smuggling and distribution. The prison sentences were just too extreme for the amateur dealers.
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Things may have changed over time because of the "War on Drugs" that's resulted in much stiffer penalties (e.g. a life sentence for a third felony conviction of marijuana for sale) as well as the fact that organized crime is not involved in marijuana and it really wasn't back in the 1960'd and 1970's.

Back then marijuana, grown domestically and smuggled into the country, was done by an almost amateur class of criminals. If law enforcement happened to catch them they just raised their hands and surrendered even if they had a ton of marijuana because the first offense generally resulted in "time-served" waiting for trial (or no time if they got bailed out) and a year of probation.

The criminal penalty was not a draconian jail sentence and the smugglers and dealers were often young white men from middle class families "earning a living" based upon their life style. They were referred to as "dealers" and not as "pushers" that dealt in the hard drugs like heroin and cocaine.

When the government raised the stakes by imposing draconian prison sentences that probably changed. It's one thing to give up and get probation or even six months in jail and a completely different matter if the person is looking at 10-20 years if convicted. I personally believe that's when the gangs stepped in and took over marijuana smuggling and distribution. The prison sentences were just too extreme for the amateur dealers.
for most criminals but I never considered myself one. I rarely help weight over a pound mostly carried an ounce or less to fill an order.

I did this when I had a weight stashed And do remember I am a combat veteran.
In no way am I going to shoot at another 2 legged animal again. Another reason I just gave my guns away or sold some.

I did what I did to have my own steady supply not for funds as I worked the entire time. I only dealt pot on and off those early years back from the Nam.

After getting a steady supply I just bought for me. And when I went west I found dealers for myself. Something I will not do today or the last 6 years. To much to lose.
If I was seeing a private doctor then I would risk it. But the VA looks to get users.
And being older I get tested more often. Plus wisdom comes with age I hear...
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You are clueless and have no idea what you are talking about. Stick to something you think you understand. This is like getting family advice from Charles Manson
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I myself cannot speak from the experience of dealing pot. I'll leave that advice to you.

But as for dealing with the effects of pot on my employees, I would rather deal with an alcoholic. Terminating an alcoholic is a relatively easy procedure. Dealing with a pot head who challenges his right to use,,,; puts you in legal trouble. Depending on what state you are in, the political mood of the Courts where you are, and how the police handle the scene when you call them to cart off the SOB that just tried to attack you physically.

And if they were a minority, best contact your lawyer because you will be hearing from theirs. And nine times out of ten, they will win their unemployment claim as well.

At the end of the day, I have had reasonable success assisting alcoholics stay on the wagon. Not once with pot heads.
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You are clueless and have no idea what you are talking about. Stick to something you think you understand. This is like getting family advice from Charles Manson
It appears you think you have more experience with the firing of potheads and alcoholics. I myself sincerely doubt it. If I were you, I would stick to admiring my faux pearl oysters, or something like that.
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