Political Wrinkles  

Go Back   Political Wrinkles > Political Forums > Law & Order
Register FAQDonate PW Store PW Trivia Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Law & Order Discuss Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary manslaug at the Political Forums; Anyone else been following this case? Pretty interesting and poses a lot of questions 'bout where free speech ends and ...

Reply
 
Share LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2017, 11:33 AM
Hairy Jello's Avatar
Deplorable
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,761
Thanks: 1,713
Thanked 10,110 Times in 6,263 Posts
Default Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary manslaug

Anyone else been following this case?

Pretty interesting and poses a lot of questions 'bout where free speech ends and criminality begins.

This chick's comments are disgusting and believe the decision is the right one.

Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary manslaughter | Fox News

The young Massachusetts woman accused of encouraging her boyfriend to commit suicide through text messages was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter on Friday.

Bristol Juvenile Court Judge Lawrence Moniz announced the decision. Michelle Carter, 20, faces up to 20 years in prison.

Carter, who was 17 when she persuaded Conrad Roy III, 18, to kill himself in July 2014, encouraged him to commit suicide in a series of texts and phone calls, prosecutors allege. Roy died when his pickup truck filled with carbon monoxide in a store parking lot in Fairhaven, Mass.

Carter’s lawyer argued that Roy had a history of depression and suicide attempts, and was determined to take his life. They also said Carter’s text messages were a form of protected free speech.

But texts read during Carter’s trial showed she admitted some guilt.

“It’s my fault,” Carter texted to her school friend, Samantha Boardman, two months after Roy’s death. “I could have stopped him but I told him to get back in the car.”

Two other friends said Carter had texted them stating she was on the phone with Roy as he died.

“I was talking on the phone with him when he killed himself... I heard him die,” Carter texted to another friend, Olivia Mosolgo, days after Roy’s death, Mosolgo testified.

Carter appeared to express remorse in a message to another friend: “I’m the only one he told things too. I should have gotten him more help,” she wrote.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
__________________

Not an accurate representation of a white person.
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2017, 11:39 AM
GottaGo's Avatar
Sanity is overrated.
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Between Oz and a hard place
Posts: 10,205
Thanks: 7,945
Thanked 6,480 Times in 4,208 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

That is one screwed up chick. Hopefully, she will get some help while she sits in jail. At the taxpayer's expense, of course.
__________________
Your life is the sum total of the choices you make.
If you can't laugh at yourself, you might as well get embalmed
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2017, 11:51 AM
Hairy Jello's Avatar
Deplorable
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,761
Thanks: 1,713
Thanked 10,110 Times in 6,263 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

Here's some of the texts this whore sent.

Quote:
sending Mr Roy a message instructing him to get back in the truck, which he had exited as it filled with fumes.

"She called no one and finally she did not issue a simple additional instruction - get out of the truck," he said.
Quote:
The case drew national attention after the texts sent between the two teenagers were revealed by investigators.

"Hang yourself, jump off a building, stab yourself I don't know there's a lot of ways," she said in several messages sent in the two weeks before his death, as he was on holiday with his family.

In the moments before his suicide, she wrote: "You need to do it, Conrad" and "All you have to do is turn the generator on and you will be free and happy."
Quote:
In another message, she wrote: "You're finally going to be happy in heaven. No more pain. It's okay to be scared and it's normal. I mean, you're about to die."
__________________

Not an accurate representation of a white person.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2017, 12:31 PM
zoriolus's Avatar
Banjo qd
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,841
Thanks: 2,797
Thanked 2,057 Times in 1,419 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

Something seems wrong about this decision. This should be appealed for more than 1 reason. The girl was also receiving help from psych professionals and was on Celexa. I don't know if he was taking anything or had just come off a medication. This should be reviewed.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2017, 03:11 PM
foundit66's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: California
Gender: Male
Posts: 24,364
Thanks: 9,648
Thanked 14,672 Times in 8,866 Posts
Post Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

Quote:
Originally Posted by zoriolus View Post
Something seems wrong about this decision. This should be appealed for more than 1 reason. The girl was also receiving help from psych professionals and was on Celexa. I don't know if he was taking anything or had just come off a medication. This should be reviewed.
She had a defense which could raise any of those items they could at trial.
Did they?

If they chose not to, then she doesn't get a "do over" just because now she realizes that the *I didn't do nuttin' wrong* approach failed.
Prosecutors had claimed that Michelle Carter had sought public attention from her boyfriend's death, and their putative relationship was almost entirely online rather than in-person. The suggestibility and vulnerability of Mr. Roy, a minor at the time, has been an issue. Her attorneys had argued that the defendant had broken no law and had been merely exercising her first amendment right to free speech, and that at that time she was a juvenile and that the matter should focus on that fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel...ter_(defendant)

She deliberately chose those actions to effect a social benefit from somebody else's death. Over the course of days, she tried to persuade him to do it and advised him on how to accomplish it. It wasn't just a spur of the moment thing...

Michelle Carter trial: In days before Conrad Roy's death, teens shared suicidal plan, selfies | masslive.com
Read the details at the above link and tell me you don't think she's guilty...
__________________
“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
~Abraham Lincoln
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 06-16-2017, 04:39 PM
zoriolus's Avatar
Banjo qd
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,841
Thanks: 2,797
Thanked 2,057 Times in 1,419 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

Quote:
Originally Posted by foundit66 View Post
She had a defense which could raise any of those items they could at trial.
Did they?

If they chose not to, then she doesn't get a "do over" just because now she realizes that the *I didn't do nuttin' wrong* approach failed.
Prosecutors had claimed that Michelle Carter had sought public attention from her boyfriend's death, and their putative relationship was almost entirely online rather than in-person. The suggestibility and vulnerability of Mr. Roy, a minor at the time, has been an issue. Her attorneys had argued that the defendant had broken no law and had been merely exercising her first amendment right to free speech, and that at that time she was a juvenile and that the matter should focus on that fact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel...ter_(defendant)

She deliberately chose those actions to effect a social benefit from somebody else's death. Over the course of days, she tried to persuade him to do it and advised him on how to accomplish it. It wasn't just a spur of the moment thing...

Michelle Carter trial: In days before Conrad Roy's death, teens shared suicidal plan, selfies | masslive.com
Read the details at the above link and tell me you don't think she's guilty...
I don't know a lot about the case but some things just don't seem right. She did have a robust defense and her own motives don't appear to be rational or noble. The NYT's characterized the decision as "a person's words alone, can cause someone's suicide". They said it was "rare". I can see why. Her defense team chose a judge instead of jury feeling that the best option. I guess I'd like to know what the precedents are, especially in the age of euthanasia. I'm reading where there were 2 cases in the 1960's. One of the cases was a game of Russian roulette.

It's interesting that Dr. Peter Breggin was an expert witness for the defense.

I read the link and yes, she appears to be an advocate and cheerleader for option S. She isn't a sympathetic figure. At one point she seems buoyant about the prospect of helping his family after he's gone. It's cultish. However, is she guilty of manslaughter? The judge must have thought that she passed the tests to earn the very rare verdict. The ACLU and others in the legal community are obviously questioning this.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2017, 03:07 PM
Hairy Jello's Avatar
Deplorable
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,761
Thanks: 1,713
Thanked 10,110 Times in 6,263 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

Verdict in. 2.5 years in prison and 5 probation.

F*cked up thing is the judge is letting her stay free until all her appeals are exhausted.

Michelle Carter, woman in suicide texting case, sentenced | Fox News

This is still a unique case that'll be talked 'bout for years and raise q's on how far is too far when it comes to your words.
__________________

Not an accurate representation of a white person.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Hairy Jello For This Useful Post:
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 08-03-2017, 10:23 PM
Lollie's Avatar
Ms 'Murica Supreme #42
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: NW Ohio
Gender: Female
Posts: 17,426
Thanks: 14,315
Thanked 13,335 Times in 8,197 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

I had not been following this case and caught some of it on the news this evening.
The look on her face while the verdict was read, then whispers with her attorney.
No real justice here.
WTF is up with those eyebrows of hers anyway?
<shudders> creepy..
__________________
--> Nothing to see here <--
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 08-04-2017, 06:43 AM
zoriolus's Avatar
Banjo qd
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: North Carolina
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,841
Thanks: 2,797
Thanked 2,057 Times in 1,419 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hairy Jello View Post
Verdict in. 2.5 years in prison and 5 probation.

F*cked up thing is the judge is letting her stay free until all her appeals are exhausted.

Michelle Carter, woman in suicide texting case, sentenced | Fox News

This is still a unique case that'll be talked 'bout for years and raise q's on how far is too far when it comes to your words.

Not excusing her selfish choices and actions, but this needs to be appealed and clarified. A reversal is possible.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 08-05-2017, 02:54 PM
Hairy Jello's Avatar
Deplorable
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,761
Thanks: 1,713
Thanked 10,110 Times in 6,263 Posts
Default Re: Massachusetts texting suicide verdict: Michelle Carter guilty of involuntary mans

I think most lawsuits are bs but can def get behind this one.

Michelle Carter has 'damaged moral core,' sued by victim's family

Heart has to break for this dude's parents.

If anyone deserves to be called a "worthless f*cking c*nt" it's this chick. Hope she ends up in a relationship with Chris Brown or somethin'.
__________________

Not an accurate representation of a white person.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
carter, guilty, involuntary, manslaug, massachusetts, michelle, suicide, texting, verdict

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0