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Is civil asset forfeiture ever okay?

Years back, a coworker of mine was arrested and convicted of drunk driving. Since it was a first time offense she was issued a restricted drivers license with limited privilege. For example, travel to and from work, no driving between 8:00pm and 5:00am and zero BAC. Approximately 4 months later she was caught driving at 9:30pm and had a BAC of .09%. Direct violation of allowed travel times and not only alcohol in her system but it also exceeded the legal limit for DWI. She was tried and convicted. The police used civil asset forfeiture, seizing her vehicle and selling it at auction. The vehicle was worth about $15k and she still owed about $11k.

Now, obviously that (true) story is about somebody that was actually tried and convicted for her crimes. Additionally, the asset seized was used to commit her crimes. Different than much of the civil asset forfeiture used by the government to seize assets from "suspects" that have not been tried or convicted and where the assets may have no direct correlation to a crime.

Is civil asset forfeiture ever okay?
Civil asset forfeiture is never OK.
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Civil asset forfeiture is never OK.
So why does it still happen? While I've read several bits on the subject, none seem to clarify exactly how this became legal, while clearly in violation of the 4TH Amendment.
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So why does it still happen? While I've read several bits on the subject, none seem to clarify exactly how this became legal, while clearly in violation of the 4TH Amendment.
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While Nixon may have coined the phrase, it seems to have come into it's legal tenets in 2000.

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So why does it still happen? While I've read several bits on the subject, none seem to clarify exactly how this became legal, while clearly in violation of the 4TH Amendment.
Civil Asset Forfeiture has been in use since shortly after the signing of the constitution. It was mostly used against piracy at that time. Modern CAF focusing on drug related confiscations was created during Reagan's administration.
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Civil Asset Forfeiture has been in use since shortly after the signing of the constitution. It was mostly used against piracy at that time. Modern CAF focusing on drug related confiscations was created during Reagan's administration.
From what I understand, there is a difference between civil and criminal, and one would think piracy would fall under criminal.

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So why does it still happen? While I've read several bits on the subject, none seem to clarify exactly how this became legal, while clearly in violation of the 4TH Amendment.
From what I understand, CAF or something similar has been around since the pirate days and like everything else government has been misapplied in the government's favor.

Like everything else government once it becomes a source of funds or power it will never go away.
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From what I understand, CAF or something similar has been around since the pirate days and like everything else government has been misapplied in the government's favor.

Like everything else government once it becomes a source of funds or power it will never go away.
It may have been around since then but to my knowledge it was the 'war on drugs' that brought it off the "high seas" and as a sdieshow and down to the level of the federal state and local cops normal operating proceedure..

Here's a couple of links that talk about the horrible pracitice in general.

https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...set_forfeiture

https://www.cato.org/blog/84-america...set-forfeiture

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https://www.cato.org/cato-handbook-p...set-forfeiture
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