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I don't know about you, but I drink coffee in the morning and beer at night. Could be that coffee leads and beer finishes.

Seriously though, the war on drugs has been as ineffective as the war on poverty.
I say we abandon both.
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I don't know about you, but I drink coffee in the morning and beer at night. Could be that coffee leads and beer finishes.

Seriously though, the war on drugs has been as ineffective as the war on poverty.
I say we abandon both.
, Pure thinking.......... Lead to great ideas!


The Federal Govt., started the War on Drugs, then says that it is a local problem and steps back..

Sure seems to me they want it to continue if not get worst. Allowing the CHAOS is what they seem to like.

I ask why is this?

1.. Either they know a few things the general public doesn't...

2. They are getting a big cut of the money.

3. Hey I am to damn old to care any longer...... Do like me stay home after dark..
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Many of today's heroin users...

... got started on marijuana...

... a few years back...

... and now we have a serious...

... and deadly heroin epidemic.
gee and making a choice isn't involved at all, right? People do it everyday, so many times in just a few hours of the day everyone makes choices. They are either the right or wrong choices.

Yet most do make the proper choice, 99% of the time. I know I did and still do. And that isn't bragging. If one is weak then they can actually do something about it. Train their minds to pick the right course of action.

As this is what growing up in an healthy environment does for a person. Those that don't get this training can induce it themselves.

I do hope this isn't to hard to understand. Just think about it and you'll come to see I am right.
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Now here is 2 cops who decided to take the wrong course of action lead by greed! And stupid to think they would not be caught.
Now had they given it more thought either a lot more dealers would be dead or they would have decided to do the proper thing.
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Ex-Detroit narcotics cops get prison for conspiring to rip off dealers

John Wisely , Detroit Free Press 6:23 p.m. ET Feb. 22, 2017

Former Lt. David Hansberry sentenced to 12˝ years, vows to fight on appeal.
Former police officer Bryan Watson sentenced to nine years.


Federal prosecutor allege the two cops exhorted drug dealers and spent the money on lavish living.

In a federal courtroom filled with law enforcement officers, U.S. District Judge Stephen Murphy noted how unpleasant it was to send two former Detroit narcotics officers to prison.

"This is certainly difficult for the court to do," said Murphy, who served as a U.S. Attorney before becoming a judge. "I take no pleasure."

Nonetheless, Murphy sentenced David Hansberry and Bryan Watson to 12˝ years and nine years, respectively, for conspiring to rip off Detroit drug dealers. Neither man displayed emotion.

Police Chief James Craig, speaking at a news conference unrelated to the sentencings, noted them and said his department supports officers who are honest and hardworking. "But those who do it wrong should be penalized. It should be a message to others," he said of the sentences.

"You’re entrusted to uphold the public trust, and certainly, there was a failure this time."

Prosecutors had sought 20 years for both men. A jury convicted them last summer on one count each of conspiracy, but acquitted them on numerous other counts, including actual extortion.

Defense attorneys pointed to the verdict as proof that the jury didn't believe most of the government's witnesses. But Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Buckley called it a "compromise verdict," noting that conviction came on the most serious crime charged.

Buckley said the conspiracy wasn't simply a one-time lapse of judgment. Hansberry filed false police reports, left major drug dealers free to run their businesses and created bogus search warrants with forged judicial signatures, Buckley said.

"It was years long, and it was well thought out, and he was the leader," Buckley said of Hansberry. "He made a mockery of the criminal justice system. He brought shame on his department."

Buckley said Hansberry lived large on ill-gotten proceeds of the conspiracy, buying flashy cars and spending thousands of dollars each week at the Ace of Spades strip club where he was considered a "VIP" guest.

Hansberry, a lieutenant in the department at the time he was charged, pleaded for mercy from Murphy, speaking for almost 30 minutes on his own behalf. He noted that he'd joined the department as a Police Explorer when he was still a student at Redford High School and became a sworn officer at age 18.

He said that his lifestyle included nice things because he worked so much that he sometimes doubled or even tripled his salary with overtime pay.

"I did it not for the money, but for the love of police work, for the love of the job," Hansberry said.

He asked Murphy to give him a sentence that didn't include prison time, noting that he's already barred from doing police work again.

"I'm asking for leniency," Hansberry said. "I've lost everything."

After the hearing, Hansberry told the Free Press that he planned to appeal.

"I still believe in the system," he said. "I'm still fighting."

Hansberry's lawyer, Michael Harrison, has filed a motion for a new trial. Both defendants remain free on bond.

Murphy acknowledged that Watson played a lesser role in the conspiracy, but Buckley cautioned against giving him too much credit.

"Mr. Watson is not a victim here and I think he should be held accountable," Buckley said.

Watson declined to address Murphy, deferring instead to his lawyer, Steve Fishman.

Watson was a good father to his three sons and coached football to help other kids, Fishman said.

"Mr. Watson is an imperfect man but he deserves credit for the time he's put in, not only for his own sons but for other people's sons," Fishman said.

The case has been controversial not only because of the charges against the police, but also for the way the five-week trial and sentencing unfolded. Defense attorneys pointed out that the men were convicted of conspiring — or plotting — to steal drugs and money seized in during raids instead of turning it in as evidence. But the jury acquitted both men on charges of actually stealing or selling drugs.

Last week, four Wayne County assistant prosecutors sparked a new controversy by writing letters asking Murphy to show mercy to Hansberry, claiming the 16-year veteran doesn't belong in prison and that the federal government and jury got it wrong. One of those prosecutors, who once dated Hansberry, called the government "dangerously vindictive" and challenged evidence in the case.

The letters drew a rebuke from the prosecutors' boss, Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy.

"Their behavior was highly inappropriate, and I am extremely disappointed in their lack of judgment," Worthy told the Free Press in a statement last week. "I would never condone or support their actions in their professional capacity. I have spoken personally with acting U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade about this situation and expressed my concern. We will be speaking to the assistant prosecutors involved to determine what action will be taken."

The Detroit Coalition Against Police Brutality said the prosecutors crossed an ethical line and urged Worthy to fire them.

In a separate matter, both Hansberry and Brown are named in a police-brutality lawsuit brought by a Detroit man who said he was handcuffed and on the ground when Hansberry stomped on his face, breaking his jaw. The two sides have a settlement conference scheduled for Feb. 28.....................
Ex-Detroit narcotics cops get prison for conspiring to rip off dealers

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Hooray for the Coast Guard!...

US Coast Guard Unloads Major Drug Haul in Puerto Rico
Feb 28, 2017 — Authorities have made the largest maritime seizure of cocaine in the Atlantic region since 1999 from a boat off South America's northeastern coast, the U.S. Coast Guard said Monday.
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About 4.2 tons of cocaine, with an estimated street value of $125 million, was confiscated from a fishing boat in international waters off Suriname, said Ricardo Castrodad, a spokesman for the U.S. Coast Guard in San Juan.


Bales of cocaine are shown on the deck of the Coast Guard Cutter Vigorous

The vessel was stopped and searched by authorities Feb. 16 during a joint patrol by the crews of the U.S. Coast Guard cutter Joseph Napier and the coast guard of Trinidad and Tobago, Castrodad said.

The crew of the Napier, which is based in Port Canaveral, Florida, towed the 70-foot (21-meter) fishing vessel, the Lady Michelle, to St. Vincent and four men on board from Guyana were taken to the U.S. Virgin Islands to face possible criminal charges. The Coast Guard took the cocaine to Puerto Rico and turned it over to the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

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US Coast Guard Unloads Major Drug Haul in Puerto Rico
Feb 28, 2017 — Authorities have made the largest maritime seizure of cocaine in the Atlantic region since 1999 from a boat off South America's northeastern coast, the U.S. Coast Guard said Monday.
and if cocaine was decriminalized the street price would drop to 2 bucks a hit and our coast guard could go back to guarding our coasts.
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and if cocaine was decriminalized the street price would drop to 2 bucks a hit and our coast guard could go back to guarding our coasts.
Hummmmmm does sound like a great way to win and get back to the right side of life....
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and if cocaine was decriminalized the street price would drop to 2 bucks a hit and our coast guard could go back to guarding our coasts.
You say that with a straight face also, I'll bet. Do you think the cartels are going to just go back and get on with normal, honest living? They will latch on to the best politicians that money can buy to make sure their business remains "safe" and profitable, and continue peddling their wares to dumbasses who have the urge to get their minds clouded with drugs.

The problem is--dumbasses who need to use psychotropic substances to have any type of life. They are more abundant than even ordinary ass holes.
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and if cocaine was decriminalized the street price would drop to 2 bucks a hit and our coast guard could go back to guarding our coasts.
But it would add much in the way of cost to the H.C. which any hard user of coke would fail to provide for themselves and become a burden on society. Plus salty the crime involved.

The only present drug that can be made legal is marijuana. As it doesn't create a hooked person, isn't so harsh as to create mental or medical problems while being used over long periods.

I smoked it close to 40 years and beside getting diabetics which was from the Nam and Agent Orange, BTW.............

And I am at 70 a younger looking person, in decent health and all the parts work just fine.
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Hispexican drug ring busted in California...

55 charged in meth, heroin, firearm crackdown in California
March 2, 2017 -- The U.S. Department of Justice charged 55 people with crimes ranging money laundering to trafficking heroin, methamphetamine and firearms in California.
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The people charged, including known drug dealers and gang members, are accused of supplying a "substantial portion" of the heroin and methamphetamine distributed in North County, Calif., the Justice Department said. Forty-six of the 55 charged are in either federal or state custody. Authorities arrested 14 on Wednesday, while the rest were arrested either earlier in the week or were already in custody. Officials are still searching for seven people who face charges, two of whom are in Mexico, including the alleged ringleader. Officials said the arrests on Wednesday amount to "one of the most significant crackdowns in recent memory." Charges range from drug distribution, firearms trafficking, robberies, vehicle thefts, burglaries and assaults.


Fifty-five people have been charged with trafficking heroin, methamphetamine and firearms in North County, Calif., near San Diego, the U.S. Department of Justice announced on Wednesday. Seven people, including the alleged ringleader, are still on the loose.

In the crackdown, authorities seized heroin, methamphetamine and 25 firearms, including handguns, revolvers and assault rifles, the Justice Department said. "Today we've taken out one of North County's largest heroin suppliers," Acting U.S. Attorney Alana Robinson said in a statement. "This crackdown is our most significant response to date to the heroin epidemic ravaging our communities. We anticipate seeing a huge impact now that these defendants are removed from our community, particularly in the North County cities of Oceanside, Vista, San Marcos and other areas plagued by gangs."

The trafficking organization was allegedly led by Yadira "Pini" Villalvazo, a Mexico-based woman linked to Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzmán's Sinaloa Cartel who used dozens of street gang members to distribute heroin, the Justice Department said. "This drug trafficking organization supplied at least 25 percent of the heroin sold and consumed in North County and grossed tens of thousands of dollars in proceeds that were sent back to Mexico," the Justice Department added.

55 charged in meth, heroin, firearm trafficking California crackdown - UPI.com
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