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Old 01-08-2017, 09:48 PM
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I have dived head first 75 feet down a pipe 18 inches wide by my feet to recover a drill head in freezing water in the dark. I'm just too bad ass to play with my balls.
What has that to do with public service? Or the militarization of police? Truth is, you have never done it. Never spoke of it.

But you never rode with a cop and had bullets come your way, right? Walked into a domestic with guns going off?

I did rescue diving in a quarry at night couldn't see sh!t at three atmospheres. Had no idea what we would encounter. So what.
You are a professional who knew what to expect when you did that. I assume you got paid for that. No lives at stake, just somebody's expensive property. It might make you foolish but brave is a whole nuther subject.
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Old 01-08-2017, 09:58 PM
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I have been shot at and had to carry a friend on my shoulder while the bullets were flying. Poor guy had asthma. Aren't I wonderful? Ya know this is some silly stuff chief. I don't want to hear what a bad ass you think you are. You are a box maker. Now a scientist, a cop, a fireman, a sailor and an Indian chief. Excuse me while I get back to my real life. Brother! LOL


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What has that to do with public service? Or the militarization of police? Truth is, you have never done it. Never spoke of it.

But you never rode with a cop and had bullets come your way, right? Walked into a domestic with guns going off?

I did rescue diving in a quarry at night couldn't see sh!t at three atmospheres. Had no idea what we would encounter. So what.
You are a professional who knew what to expect when you did that. I assume you got paid for that. No lives at stake, just somebody's expensive property. It might make you foolish but brave is a whole nuther subject.
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I have been shot at and had to carry a friend on my shoulder while the bullets were flying. Poor guy had asthma. Aren't I wonderful? Ya know this is some silly stuff chief. I don't want to hear what a bad ass you think you are. You are a box maker. Now a scientist, a cop, a fireman, a sailor and an Indian chief. Excuse me while I get back to my real life. Brother! LOL
Good for you. hope your "pal" appreciated it. As an asthma sufferer I can relate to his issues.

Doesn't explain why you wouldn't do a ride along. but...;

Meanwhile, I have a question...how the hell did you go down an 18" pipe with apparatus? Not sayin' you didn't but that means you are pretty small fella. Or you were when you pulled that stunt.
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Just FYI here.
in Dial 911 and Die,
attorney Richard W. Stevens writes:
'It was the most shocking thing I learned in law school. I was studying Torts in my first year
at the University of San Diego School of Law, when I came upon the case of Hartzler v. City
of San Jose. In that case I discovered the secret truth: the government owes no duty to
protect individual citizens from criminal attack.
Not only did the California courts hold to
that rule, the California legislature had enacted a statute to make sure the courts couldn't
change the rule.'

But this doesn't apply to just the wild, upside down world of Kalifornia. Stevens cites laws an
cases for every state — plus Washington DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Canada - which reveal the same thing. If the police fail to protect you, even through sheer incompetence and negligence, don't expect that you or your next of kin will be able to sue.
Even in the nation's heartland, in bucolic Iowa, you can't depend on 911. In 1987, two men broke
into a family's home, tied up the parents, slit the mother's throat, raped the 16-year-old daughter,
and drove off with the 12-year old daughter (whom they later murdered). The emergency
dispatcher couldn't be bothered with immediately sending police to chase the kidnappers/murders/rapists while the abducted little girl was still alive. First he had to take calls about a parking violation downtown and a complaint about harassing phone calls. When he got around to the kidnapping, he didn't issue an all-points bulletin but instead told just one officer to come back to the police station, not even mentioning that it was an emergency. Even more blazing negligence ensued, but suffice it to say that when the remnants of the family sued the city and the police, their case was summarily dismissed before going to trial. The state appeals court upheld the decision, claiming that the authorities have no duty to protect individuals. Similarly, people in various states have been unable to successfully sue over the following
situations:

•when 911 systems have been shut down for maintenance
•when a known stalker kills someone
•when the police pull over but don't arrest a drunk driver who runs over someone later that
night
•when a cop known to be violently unstable shoots a driver he pulled over for an inadequate
muffler
•when authorities know in advance of a plan to commit murder but do nothing to stop it
•when parole boards free violent psychotics, including child rapist-murderers
•when felons escape from prison and kill someone
•when houses burn down because the fire department didn't respond promptly
•when children are beaten to death in foster homes

A minority of states do offer a tiny bit of hope. In eighteen states, citizens have successfully sued over failure to protect, but even here the grounds have been very narrow. Usually, the police and the victim must have had a prior "special relationship" (for example, the authorities must have promised protection to this specific individual in the past). And, not surprisingly, many of these states have issued contradictory court rulings, or a conflict exists between state law and the rulings of the courts.

Don't look to Constitution for help. "In its landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County
Department of Social Services," Stevens writes, "the US Supreme Court declared that the
Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens
from criminal harm."

All in all, as Stevens says, you'd be much better off owning a gun and learning how to use it.
Even in those cases where you could successfully sue, this victory comes only after years (sometimes more than a decade) of wrestling with the justice system and only after you've been
gravely injured or your loved one has been snuffed.
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I was young and stupid. I was fully stretched out with my arms over my head. I was using a hookah system with my line attached to my weight belt. I wouldn't do it again but back then I was a little more fearless than I am today. I am 5'11'' and at that time weighed about 170. I'm about 25 pounds heavier today. And I am more interested in staying alive as long as possible. When I was 20 I was going to live forever.
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Good for you. hope your "pal" appreciated it. As an asthma sufferer I can relate to his issues.

Doesn't explain why you wouldn't do a ride along. but...;

Meanwhile, I have a question...how the hell did you go down an 18" pipe with apparatus? Not sayin' you didn't but that means you are pretty small fella. Or you were when you pulled that stunt.
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Just FYI here.
in Dial 911 and Die,
attorney Richard W. Stevens writes:
'It was the most shocking thing I learned in law school. I was studying Torts in my first year
at the University of San Diego School of Law, when I came upon the case of Hartzler v. City
of San Jose. In that case I discovered the secret truth: the government owes no duty to
protect individual citizens from criminal attack.
Not only did the California courts hold to
that rule, the California legislature had enacted a statute to make sure the courts couldn't
change the rule.'

But this doesn't apply to just the wild, upside down world of Kalifornia. Stevens cites laws an
cases for every state — plus Washington DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Canada - which reveal the same thing. If the police fail to protect you, even through sheer incompetence and negligence, don't expect that you or your next of kin will be able to sue.
Even in the nation's heartland, in bucolic Iowa, you can't depend on 911. In 1987, two men broke
into a family's home, tied up the parents, slit the mother's throat, raped the 16-year-old daughter,
and drove off with the 12-year old daughter (whom they later murdered). The emergency
dispatcher couldn't be bothered with immediately sending police to chase the kidnappers/murders/rapists while the abducted little girl was still alive. First he had to take calls about a parking violation downtown and a complaint about harassing phone calls. When he got around to the kidnapping, he didn't issue an all-points bulletin but instead told just one officer to come back to the police station, not even mentioning that it was an emergency. Even more blazing negligence ensued, but suffice it to say that when the remnants of the family sued the city and the police, their case was summarily dismissed before going to trial. The state appeals court upheld the decision, claiming that the authorities have no duty to protect individuals. Similarly, people in various states have been unable to successfully sue over the following
situations:

•when 911 systems have been shut down for maintenance
•when a known stalker kills someone
•when the police pull over but don't arrest a drunk driver who runs over someone later that
night
•when a cop known to be violently unstable shoots a driver he pulled over for an inadequate
muffler
•when authorities know in advance of a plan to commit murder but do nothing to stop it
•when parole boards free violent psychotics, including child rapist-murderers
•when felons escape from prison and kill someone
•when houses burn down because the fire department didn't respond promptly
•when children are beaten to death in foster homes

A minority of states do offer a tiny bit of hope. In eighteen states, citizens have successfully sued over failure to protect, but even here the grounds have been very narrow. Usually, the police and the victim must have had a prior "special relationship" (for example, the authorities must have promised protection to this specific individual in the past). And, not surprisingly, many of these states have issued contradictory court rulings, or a conflict exists between state law and the rulings of the courts.

Don't look to Constitution for help. "In its landmark decision of DeShaney v. Winnebago County
Department of Social Services," Stevens writes, "the US Supreme Court declared that the
Constitution does not impose a duty on the state and local governments to protect the citizens
from criminal harm."

All in all, as Stevens says, you'd be much better off owning a gun and learning how to use it.
Even in those cases where you could successfully sue, this victory comes only after years (sometimes more than a decade) of wrestling with the justice system and only after you've been
gravely injured or your loved one has been snuffed.
This is a well known fact. LEO is reactive, not proactive.

It's why I own guns and carry.
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I was young and stupid. I was fully stretched out with my arms over my head. I was using a hookah system with my line attached to my weight belt. I wouldn't do it again but back then I was a little more fearless than I am today. I am 5'11'' and at that time weighed about 170. I'm about 25 pounds heavier today. And I am more interested in staying alive as long as possible. When I was 20 I was going to live forever.
Odd.
I am smaller than when I was 26. Shoulders at 30 " wide and 220Lbs. Now they are 20" if I hold a breath and I weigh 195. Back then I was afraid of dying. Today I have no worries about it.
Some folks are so afraid of dying they never get to live.

We are very different people.
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WOW! I live in Dallas. I was very glad for the Cowboys season. Jerry Jones actually lives down the street. I do not think any body wanted something like that. What a despicable person!
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