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Bradley Manning's treatment was cruel and inhuman, UN torture chief rules
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Lawyer for Imprisoned Whistleblower Chelsea Manning: Ongoing Pattern of Abuse Led to Hunger Strike
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I'm no supporters of sex exchanges and prisoneers demands of special privileges along various lines but NO ONE deserves cruel and and abusive punishment.
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I hear what you're saying, but a Federal Military Prison should not be practicing "cruel and inhuman" treatment.
I agree and he/she is at the Leavenworth, facility north of me. It is top notch, and run by pro's. Has anyone considered the source? The UN does th8is very thing about every chance it gets...

Or was there an interview in which baby Manning then cried they did me wrong..

I do know that if there were anything to this the Army would have been all over th8is prison, since the War College is also located near by as is other staff training centers for Generals.
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Where is the evidence he has endured cruel/abusive behavior?

I call bs until someone posts something credible.
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I agree and he/she is at the Leavenworth, facility north of me. It is top notch, and run by pro's. Has anyone considered the source? The UN does th8is very thing about every chance it gets...

Or was there an interview in which baby Manning then cried they did me wrong..

I do know that if there were anything to this the Army would have been all over th8is prison, since the War College is also located near by as is other staff training centers for Generals.
I'm referring more to the issue of solitary confinement. Manning has been through a lot of solitary confinement.
Extreme Solitary Confinement: What Did Bradley Manning Experience? - The Daily Beast
After Manning’s arrest on May 29, 2010, he was transferred to a Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia, where, during his nine-month stay, he was reportedly held in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, forced to sleep naked without pillows and sheets on his bed, and restricted from physical recreation or access to television or newspapers even during his one daily hour of freedom from his cell, all under the pretense that the private was a suicide risk.
Nine months.
Solitary confinement.

And that's just for that stretch of time. I don't know how much additional solitary Manning's been through.

Why Solitary Confinement Is The Worst Kind Of Psychological Torture
Human beings are social creatures. Without the benefit of another person to "bounce off of," the mind decays; without anything to do, the brain atrophies; and without the ability to see off in the distance, vision fades. Isolation and loss of control breeds anger, anxiety, and hopelessness.

Indeed, psychologist Terry Kupers says that solitary confinement "destroys people as human beings." A quick glance at literature review studies done by Sharon Shalev (2008) and Peter Scharff Smith (2006) affirms this assertion; here are some typical symptoms:

Anxiety: Persistent low level of stress, irritability or anxiousness, fear of impending death, panic attacks
Depression: Emotional flatness/blunting and the loss of ability to have any "feelings", mood swings, hopelessness, social withdrawal, loss of initiation of activity or ideas, apathy, lethargy, major depression
Anger: Irritability and hostility, poor impulse control, outbursts of physical and verbal violence against others, self, and objects, unprovoked angers, sometimes manifested as rage
Cognitive disturbances: Short attention span, poor concentration and memory, confused thought processes, disorientation
Perceptual distortions: Hypersensitivity to noises and smells, distortions of sensation (e.g. walls closing in), disorientation in time and space, depersonalization/derealization, hallucinations affecting all five senses (e.g. hallucinations of objects or people appearing in the cell, or hearing voices when no one is speaking
Paranoia and psychosis: Recurrent and persistent thoughts, often of a violent and vengeful character (e.g. directed against prison staff), paranoid ideas (often persecutory), psychotic episodes or states, psychotic depression, schizophrenia
Self-harm: self-mutilation and cutting, suicide attempts
The U.S. doesn't seem to recognize (publicly) the dangers of prolonged solitary confinement.
Quite frankly, it seems realistic that he's involuntarily reacting phobicly to solitary confinement based on the history endured.
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I'm referring more to the issue of solitary confinement. Manning has been through a lot of solitary confinement.
Extreme Solitary Confinement: What Did Bradley Manning Experience? - The Daily Beast
After Manning’s arrest on May 29, 2010, he was transferred to a Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia, where, during his nine-month stay, he was reportedly held in solitary confinement for 23 hours a day, forced to sleep naked without pillows and sheets on his bed, and restricted from physical recreation or access to television or newspapers even during his one daily hour of freedom from his cell, all under the pretense that the private was a suicide risk.
Nine months.
Solitary confinement.

And that's just for that stretch of time. I don't know how much additional solitary Manning's been through.

Why Solitary Confinement Is The Worst Kind Of Psychological Torture
Human beings are social creatures. Without the benefit of another person to "bounce off of," the mind decays; without anything to do, the brain atrophies; and without the ability to see off in the distance, vision fades. Isolation and loss of control breeds anger, anxiety, and hopelessness.

Indeed, psychologist Terry Kupers says that solitary confinement "destroys people as human beings." A quick glance at literature review studies done by Sharon Shalev (2008) and Peter Scharff Smith (2006) affirms this assertion; here are some typical symptoms:

Anxiety: Persistent low level of stress, irritability or anxiousness, fear of impending death, panic attacks
Depression: Emotional flatness/blunting and the loss of ability to have any "feelings", mood swings, hopelessness, social withdrawal, loss of initiation of activity or ideas, apathy, lethargy, major depression
Anger: Irritability and hostility, poor impulse control, outbursts of physical and verbal violence against others, self, and objects, unprovoked angers, sometimes manifested as rage
Cognitive disturbances: Short attention span, poor concentration and memory, confused thought processes, disorientation
Perceptual distortions: Hypersensitivity to noises and smells, distortions of sensation (e.g. walls closing in), disorientation in time and space, depersonalization/derealization, hallucinations affecting all five senses (e.g. hallucinations of objects or people appearing in the cell, or hearing voices when no one is speaking
Paranoia and psychosis: Recurrent and persistent thoughts, often of a violent and vengeful character (e.g. directed against prison staff), paranoid ideas (often persecutory), psychotic episodes or states, psychotic depression, schizophrenia
Self-harm: self-mutilation and cutting, suicide attempts
The U.S. doesn't seem to recognize (publicly) the dangers of prolonged solitary confinement.
Quite frankly, it seems realistic that he's involuntarily reacting phobicly to solitary confinement based on the history endured.
I know this place as my younger brother who entered the Marines after I went Army Paratrooper. I got to the Nam first. He got oreders to come and I wrote the Staff in D.C. and he went to Japan where he checked incoming medivac flights of Horrid wounded Marines while I was in the Nam.

He made Sgt of the Order Room and when I wrote him I was coming home he cut his own orders to stateside duty at the Marine brig in Quantico, Virginia.

He told me about that place and man were they hard on guys just for being drunk...
No body checked in and left without bearing marks from the Guards night sticks.

Yet to again the Daily Beast isn't the best source. Thats why I try to leave the link to any search page I get a source from. But I would think he got ill will at least.
Considering what he did.. And then the choice he made soon after.. I mean a Marine is a man's man, right?

So again I would point out manning made some bad choices that he wasn't prepared to deal with the results IMHO.

And that isn't a excuse for the Brig or the Staff.


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I don't have a problem with people wanting to commit suicide.
Their body, their choice.
Why stop Manning?
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In the real world I believe he/she has no BALLS to do it...

Sorry I could not let that pass. But the meaning is she/he never really intended to go 100% as this is just a way to gather attention while in a very quite place.

By keeping the Manning name alive in the news every now and again one might except that in time there might be a parole hearing. Or a commute of the sentence by the high courts of the President in the future.

His/her lawyer most likely told this to him/her to stop the calls.

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Now everything make more sense if you see Chelsea as a weak and frail minded female. At least this is my opinion, what is yours?

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Chelsea Manning petitions Obama for clemency on her 35-year prison sentence
She needs to be in general population dancing with the other inmates.. But it doesn't work that way at Leavenworth, Military Federal Prison.

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Come on we all knew the Progressive, left leaning Obama was going to do it..

Well he might and we get to know today... My dime to your $50.00 dollars says he will do it. Take the bet Lefty.......

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President Obama has put Chelsea Manning, the former Army intelligence analyst serving a 35-year sentence for leaking classified material, on his short list for a possible commutation, a Justice Department source told NBC News.

A decision could come as soon as Wednesday for Manning, who has tried to commit suicide twice this year and went on a hunger strike in a bid for gender reassignment surgery.
"I have more hope right now than I have the entire time since she was sentenced," Manning's aunt, Deborah Manning, told NBC News.
"I do think it's the last hope for a while."

Manning — then known as Bradley — was locked up in 2010 after swiping 700,000 military files and diplomatic cables and giving them to Wikileaks.
Prosecutors branded Manning a "traitor" seeking notoriety in the world of hackers and anarchists. Manning's lawyers painted their client as a naive whistle-blower who caused little more than mortification.
Manning pleaded guilty and before the sentencing delivered an apology to the court — and the nation. A recording of that statement is being broadcast for the first time by NBC News.

"I'm sorry," Manning said. "I'm sorry that my actions hurt people. I'm sorry that they hurt the United States."
"I understand that I must pay the price for my decisions and actions," Manning added.

Come on then accept the next 30 years you will be in the same place your at right now cry baby.

Those words of contrition did not sway the military judge, who gave Manning a sentence about 10 times longer than those of recent whistle-blowers.
"After this case, I had to tell Chelsea — 'I've represented murderers. I've represented rapists. I've represented child molesters. And none of them received 35 years,'" defense lawyer David Coombs told NBC News.
Manning — who announced she was a transgender woman named Chelsea the day after the verdict — didn't seem to process what the sentence meant for her, her aunt said.

"I don't think it really sunk in," Deborah Manning said. "Thirty-five years is just a long thing to try to imagine, especially when you're just in your early 20s."
Manning's supporters believe the harshness of the sentence can be traced to another leaker; the scandal around former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was erupting around the same time.

"I really believe the judge felt she needed to send some sort of message," the aunt said. "I think in a way she was a scapegoat for Edward Snowden."

Snowden, who has asked Obama for clemency, tweeted his support of Manning shortly after NBC News' report about the commutation decision aired on TODAY on Wednesday morning. .................................................
Army Leaker Chelsea Manning on Obama's 'Short List' for Commutation

And Obama wants to send us his message, "We reward those who mess up, cheat steal and lie!" This weak knee jerk of a lady is a wining cry baby with one goal in life get out of prison as she isn't that bad a girl and she left the bad guy behind her.
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