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In my mind, what Zimmerman did was ethically wrong, even if he turns out to be legally right.

Zimmerman initiated the entire encounter with Martin. He should have left him alone and called the cops. Martin is dead because of Zimmerman's actions.
See, you're missing it completely. It's not about ANYTHING except the question of whether Zimmermen had the legal and ethical right to prevent someone else from killing him if he honestly felt that his life was in jeopardy. The focus on this whole issue comes down to that one fact and that one fact only. Zimmerman harassing Martin has nothign to do with it, just the point where Zimmerman has to decide between his life and Martin's.

If Martin had killed Zimmerman, would his actions have been justified??
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You're so silly. Calling me a liar because I say the nose doesn't look broken. It doesn't look like how I imagine a broken nose to look.

It's my opinion, NOT a ****in lie.
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See, you're missing it completely. It's not about ANYTHING except the question of whether Zimmermen had the legal and ethical right to prevent someone else from killing him if he honestly felt that his life was in jeopardy. The focus on this whole issue comes down to that one fact and that one fact only. Zimmerman harassing Martin has nothign to do with it, just the point where Zimmerman has to decide between his life and Martin's.

If Martin had killed Zimmerman, would his actions have been justified??
Zimmerman harassing Martin and then shooting him to death has everything to do what's wrong in this case. This law, if it protects Martin from any negative consequence for killing this boy is DEAD WRONG.

Martin was doing nothing wrong. He just happened to be black and wearing a hoodie in the wrong neighborhood.

Clearly, you have come down on the side of justifying Zimmerman's actions using this stupid Stand Your Ground law. Zimmerman was not protecting his castle. He was playing faux cop/vigilante.
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I don't see the issue. First, we are not the jury so it matters not when we see a picture of Zimmermans bloody nose. Secondly, I agree. Who cares? We know there was an altercation. So the idea he may have gotten hit is not a surprise to me. If the little **** followed me around I would hit him as well.

End of the day the way I see this story is like this.

This guy was a cop wannabe. He saw a black guy and he had a gun that helped his bravery factor. So he decided to play cop and when it wasn't turning out the way he had hoped and he was getting his ass kicked he decided he might get killed so he had better shoot. That is what I think happened. Martin should not be dead. This guy screwed up but he will probably walk.

Did he want to kill Martin? No, I would bet he wished he wouldn't have gotten out of bed that day. But in my opinion Zimmerman is at fault for Martins death because of his actions. Martin had a right to defend himself from someone he doesn't know and who has no authority over him.

It is a tragedy, a mistake, a screw up.

I have seen people on this forum trashhing Martin. Showing pictures they think will make you dislike Martin and sway your view. but what we know about Martin that night was that he was not involved in anything that should have gotten him kiled or even stopped and questioned for that matter.

The right supports Zimmerman for some odd reason. Is it race? Is it because they support gun rights? I don't get the kneejerj support for Zimmerman. I don't think he is a murderer. I just think he is a fu*k up and Trayvon paid the price.
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It is strange how this incident, which is not remotely political, has become so.

And when something becomes political you can bet your last dollar Republicans and Democrats will blindly line up behind their perspective side regardless of the facts.

While this is the only forum I currently post on, I do read threads on others. I have noticed something very interesting and peculiar with members here and on other boards. Virtually every Democrat believes Zimmerman is guilty and Martin was as pure and innocent as the driven snow and almost every Republican holds the opposite views.

I am sure the fact most Democrats view Zimmerman as guilty and most Republicans feel he is innocent has nothing to do with political bias or blindly doing as your party tells you.

Political indoctrination is one of the most powerful ones of its kind, far more effective and influential than any religion. I find the hold it has over its followers fascinating and something I enjoy studying and attempting to understand.

We have reached the point where the issue does not even have to be political. If Debbie Wasserman-Schultz stood up in front of a camera and told all Democrats to throw away five dollar bills because it has a Republican on it and MSNBC echoed her words, liberals would leap in their cars, speed to the nearest bridge and hurl the money over like it was a ticking bomb. Same goes for Republicans and whatever non-political issue they want to insert their snout into.

If people realized the extent they are sheep to political parties it would horrify them. Fortunately for them denial is also a powerful thing and instinctively shields them from the fact they side with their party almost every time and have not had an independent thought since they began to follow politics. They continue to say, "I think for myself" and, "No one tells me what to do," yet we consistently see every Democrat and Republican take the same side not only on political issues but non-political topics that were tainted and contaminated from political spill-over.

Forget the donkey and elephant. The mascots of these two parties should just be a flock of sheep with the Democrats being herded to the left and Republicans to the right.
I'm a democrat and i have consistently stated that all evidence must be presented before it can be decided what if any crime was committed.

I view this as a type of OJ trial; there were staunch supporters either way and each could make their case with glowing investigative techniques , one liners and testimony.
All over the internet I have seen the same thing. The place where it veers from OJ is as you said Democrats or liberals seem to take martin's side and republicans Zimmerman. But that is probably because of their respective gun rights stances. I am a gun rights advocate (with a small "a"). so maybe that's why I wish to wait for the outcome.
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See, you're missing it completely. It's not about ANYTHING except the question of whether Zimmermen had the legal and ethical right to prevent someone else from killing him if he honestly felt that his life was in jeopardy. The focus on this whole issue comes down to that one fact and that one fact only. Zimmerman harassing Martin has nothign to do with it, just the point where Zimmerman has to decide between his life and Martin's.

If Martin had killed Zimmerman, would his actions have been justified??
This is so stupid on it's face. You follow someone and make them scared. Then when you confront them you get your ass kicked so you are justified shooting to save your nose. You want to take Martins views out. You justify Zimmerman by saying he was fighting for his life. WTF WAS MARTIN DOING??????????????????????
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You're so silly. Calling me a liar because I say the nose doesn't look broken. It doesn't look like how I imagine a broken nose to look.

It's my opinion, NOT a ****in lie.
Yeah it is. You attempted to portray yourself as knowing what broken nose looks like when you have no idea what one looks like. That is being intentionally deceptive, especially considering that nowhere in your post did you ever indicate that it was your opinion instead of an informed statement.
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What the hell is the matter with you people. You are always crying about Zimmerman...

Martin went yto the store for skittles and he was followed, scared and had no idea what Zimmerman was up to. WTF would you do??

God I am so tired of this Partisan or race nonsense that it is really pissing me off. This was a kid going to the store for christs sake. Pull your head out of your partisan asses.
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Zimmerman harassing Martin and then shooting him to death has everything to do what's wrong in this case. This law, if it protects Martin from any negative consequence for killing this boy is DEAD WRONG.

Martin was doing nothing wrong. He just happened to be black and wearing a hoodie in the wrong neighborhood.

Clearly, you have come down on the side of justifying Zimmerman's actions using this stupid Stand Your Ground law. Zimmerman was not protecting his castle. He was playing faux cop/vigilante.
So once Zimmerman crossed a line that has NO legal definition, he loses his rigth to defend himself - is that what you're saying?? Zimmerman did nothing illegal leading up to the confrontation, yet he was the guy getting his head beaten against a sidewalk. This is the point where the law comes into play, not when Zimmerman harrassed Martin, but when Zimmerman had to make a choice whether to kill or be killed. The fact that Zimmerman was most likely the person who started the conflict does not give Martin the right kill him for doing so.

Once again:
If Martin had killed Zimmerman by beating his head against the concrete, would his actions have been justified??
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This is so stupid on it's face. You follow someone and make them scared. Then when you confront them you get your ass kicked so you are justified shooting to save your nose. You want to take Martins views out. You justify Zimmerman by saying he was fighting for his life. WTF WAS MARTIN DOING??????????????????????
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