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Default Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals

Anchor babies" isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots - the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. - for their next move.


Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists - things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop. (See the battle for Arizona: will a border crackdown work?)


But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB 1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the "anchor" and leave. (See pictures of the Great Wall of America.)


The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.


But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.


Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create - and it's creating it now - a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB 1070 from taking affect, place a three-year moratorium on all related laws - including the anchor baby bill - to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.


Both sides expect the anchor baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be OK," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB 1070, which Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all.


Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals - Yahoo! News

This is a good step. The more incentives are removed, the fewer illegals will want to cross the border.
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Most of the invaders are of course Mexicans, and Mexico keeps telling us what wonderful, valuable people the invaders are. They should be demanding the return of these children. In fact, the grant of US citizenship should be seen as a form of kidnapping, which we should outlaw at once.
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Unfortunately, this is the same crap the Left uses when it comes to the health bill...and is as equally a travesty...

You CAN'T pretend the Constitution doesn't exist or ignore it's strict interpretation...This bill does exactly that...

Change the Constitution first, THAN create state laws that abide by it's language...

The ends, no matter how commendable or not, do not justify the means...
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Unfortunately, this is the same crap the Left uses when it comes to the health bill...and is as equally a travesty...

You CAN'T pretend the Constitution doesn't exist or ignore it's strict interpretation...This bill does exactly that...

Change the Constitution first, THAN create state laws that abide by it's language...

The ends, no matter how commendable or not, do not justify the means...
Since a contract cannot be valid if only one side is bound by it, perhaps it is time to revisit the idea of secession.

I propose that a case can be made that the Constitution is void, because the Federal Government has abrogated it by failing to uphold its chartered responsibilities.
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I think our country should adopt the same immigration policy as mexico has and then we will see what hypocrites they are.
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Since a contract cannot be valid if only one side is bound by it, perhaps it is time to revisit the idea of secession.

I propose that a case can be made that the Constitution is void, because the Federal Government has abrogated it by failing to uphold its chartered responsibilities.
Hold yer little mini horses there!

Before we start nulling and voiding the documents that are the basis for the existence of this country free from oppressive rule and tyranny, lets remember that one wee clause that I've seen in a mutitude of contracts that goes something like....

The failure to uphold and indemify one portion of said contract does not invalidate the remaining portions of said contract.

Or something legal regurgitaion of sorts.

Bottom line. Just because they've gone and screwed up portions of the Constitution by "re-interpetating" (GAG) to suit their needs, doesn't mean we have to open the doors for them to march across the pages of the remaining portions of it.

Until such a point comes that each State has the ability to support and defend it's citizens, then we must retain what brought us to this century, violation of it's intent or not.

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You surprise me with this. Or, maybe, you're just playing with your food before you eat it. Again.
No, I'm not playing, but that also doesn't mean that this is the outcome I'd prefer either.

I take a very long view of politics, when compared to most people, I think. The last couple of centuries have been a wild aberration, in that a few free republics have existed at all, to say nothing of the fact that they have thrived.

We do not yet know if such a system can be maintained for more that a few generations before the natural human tendencies to exalt tyrants and submit to serfdom and worse reassert themselves.

I am not an optimist be choice, (I've spent my life trying to subdue a detestable natural tendency to optimism,) so I should say that my rationally considered opinion is that American and Western European style republics will essentially cease to exist within another two of three generations.

Please understand, that I detest this, i fervently wish it were otherwise, and I'd fight to preserve the Republic and its idea. But i represent a minority it seems.

It might come to pass that some of the States eventually find themselves with populations much more enamored of the concepts of Liberty and Constitutional law. It the disparity between the nation as a whole and some of these States is sufficiently wide and deep, a crisis will emerge.

Then the choice for the Residents of the States with the higher affinity to Liberty will be submission, or enslavement. That's it. Again, this is if the Constitution continues to fail to bind the Federal Government.

In History we see an endless progression of choices that Peoples make, not between good alternatives and bad, but between a number of very bad options alone, because better alternatives are absent.

I suppose that the national mood could shift dramatically before a rupture, and that disaster can be averted for a while. But I consider this unlikely.

By the way, I believe that the Republics' fatal flaw I think, both in North America and in Europe, was in turning over the education of the young to Government.

Myself, I struggle for my political principles, because I believe them to be sound, wise, and generally oriented to the good, not because I hope for victory.

Or maybe I'm just in a "piss-poor" mood today?
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This law is outdated and clearly needs to be redefined and fine tuned.
I'm for giving the mom a choice. The kid can stay but you relinquish all rights to this US citizen or take your baby back to your home country and we will relinquish all rights. Either way, sorry you can't stay until proper application is processed.
Or you could just do it a simpler way and disallow it altogether. Either way people need to give up the 1918 mind set and realize we are way behind on plans for the future in many ways.
One thing I would like to see brought back from the Ellis Island days, however is a thorough physical examination complete with delousing and triage (and return) of communicably infected individuals.
And that is whether they come from Sweden, Guatemala or ports in between.
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Why don't we require illegals to serve a certain number of years as slaves, and THEN allow them anchor babies as the original law was designed to do in the first place?
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You know the thread has gone to hell in a handbasket when someone advocates slavery... But then again this is the same person jumping all over the nazi slippery slope fallacy... Good luck!
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