Saudi Women Take the Wheel as Driving Ban Lifted

[saltwn]

Originally Posted by mr wonder

Salt, I'm not sure what exactly you're saying here.
1st of all please explain exactly what your talking about with each.
what laws or Church doctrines are you talking about exactly.
then please be more specific as to where in the Bible ANY of those thing you mentioned is commanded or promoted.


But even if what you said were true it's still be a FAR distance away from the Saudi Laws based on Wahhabi Muslim interpretations
that's just ONE issue.

Originally Posted by saltwn
how about stopping a class of people from gaining livelihood?
Not so long ago Conservatives favored firing gays because you're gay and in my lifetime refused to hire minorities.

how about vilifying classes of people to the point of enraging nazis and mentally incompetents?

Trump's "some [are] good people" running down a protester.

how about stopping an entire gender from receiving needed medicine or treatment prescribed by a doctor?
Exemption of Christian businesses from forcing their insurance coverage not to cover birth control for religious reasons.

[mr wonder]

Originally Posted by saltwn

Originally Posted by saltwn
how about stopping a class of people from gaining livelihood?
Not so long ago Conservatives favored firing gays because you're gay and in my lifetime refused to hire minorities.

1st of all, IMO we have to separate 1. American Law ,2.so-called conservatives actions, 3. decent Christians trying to live right and then even that from 4. Biblical New testament teachings. And compare that to Saudi Arabia the practices which flow directly from the Wahhabi faith into law. and some Arab tradition.

"firing" homosexuals, is not a new testament teaching, and it's not in the law.
But some "conservatives" have done it and likely still do. But it's not mandated by Christian teaching.

In Saudi Arabia they KILL homosexuals. it's in the religion, in the law, and the tradition.

In the U.S. "refus(ing) to hire minorities", is not a new testament teaching, and it's not in the law. and goes against biblical teaching that "God created all men of one Flesh" and "do unto others"
But some "conservatives" have done it and no doubt still do. It goes against Christian teaching. And both conservatives and liberals lawmakers have put laws in against discrimination.

In Saudi Arabia there are no laws against discrimination and it's practiced in business against various races foreign AND native. plus hard core antisemitism. and gender discrimination to the point that woman can't even work. for woman it's based in the religion, while fro minorities it's based in tradition since Islam claims all men are equal with rights as well... AS LONG as you become a MUSLIM. if not then there are several ways you should not be treated as equal.

Originally Posted by saltwn

how about vilifying classes of people to the point of enraging nazis and mentally incompetents?Trump's "some [are] good people" running down a protester.

Where in the Bible did God or Jesus say anything CLOSE what what Trump said about any race or people group. It Ain't there. Trump and TrumpConseravtives doing what you describe are NOT operating under Christian ideals. They are working from BS xenophobic, racism.

In saudi Arabia you'll find traditional Arabs doing the same and worse to those that they feel aren't REALLY part of the "the kingdom". and many justifying it with the Koran.

Originally Posted by saltwn

how about stopping an entire gender from receiving needed medicine or treatment prescribed by a doctor?
Exemption of Christian businesses from forcing their insurance coverage not to cover birth control for religious reasons.

"birth control" is not NEEDED medicine. It's optional.
And the rules don't stop woman from getting it. It just doesn't FORCE others to PAY for it. If women want it they can buy it themselves all day long , every day without hindrance. But making their employers PAY for it is not some right they've been wrongly denied. It's an optional benefit. to say others wise is kind of outrageous.

Plus there's the scientific fact that some "contraception" actually destroys a living growing human life. Which by any moral standard (secular or religious) should be illegal. Much less forcing other people to participate in the action by paying for the means of execution.

[Manitou]

Originally Posted by saltwn

Originally Posted by saltwn
how about stopping a class of people from gaining livelihood?
Not so long ago Conservatives favored firing gays because you're gay and in my lifetime refused to hire minorities.

how about vilifying classes of people to the point of enraging nazis and mentally incompetents?

Trump's "some [are] good people" running down a protester.

how about stopping an entire gender from receiving needed medicine or treatment prescribed by a doctor?
Exemption of Christian businesses from forcing their insurance coverage not to cover birth control for religious reasons.

Can you prove your second picture banning the Servicemen is true? I say no.

[GottaGo]

Originally Posted by saltwn

Originally Posted by saltwn
how about stopping a class of people from gaining livelihood?
Not so long ago Conservatives favored firing gays because you're gay and in my lifetime refused to hire minorities.

how about vilifying classes of people to the point of enraging nazis and mentally incompetents?

Trump's "some [are] good people" running down a protester.

how about stopping an entire gender from receiving needed medicine or treatment prescribed by a doctor?
Exemption of Christian businesses from forcing their insurance coverage not to cover birth control for religious reasons.

Edited to point by Gottago

If they served in the Armed Forces, they are American Citizens, which means they are not immigrants 'trying to enter this country', and would not be affected by the travel ban.

Did Trump say that the person who drove into the crowd was a good person? Or are you using a wide paintbrush to try and make it sound that way. I'll go with option 2. I'll save further discussion regarding misconstruing his statement for another thread.

No one has been refused access to birth control. This is the hyperbole and BS that is propagated by people who want you all emotional and in a froth. Stop for a minute and think about it, let the knee-jerk reactions subside.

A woman can get a prescription from her doctor, go into a pharmacy and get her birth control. The only difference is who pays for it. For some reason people seem to think that if the insurance won't pay for it, they can't have it.

Really? Since when did a faceless company decide what you can or cannot have? Hint: They didn't!!!