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Old 06-13-2018, 08:44 PM
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So far we really have nothing but their word, that they ever stopped.

Look, Iranian deal had lot's of other nation state signers besides the USA and even Iran wasn't one of them.

In term of Iran developing a nuclear capability,,; ie; the enrichment of Uranium, nothing has really changed except the enrichment of their finances.

BTW,,,; At least so far, no planeloads of cash have been flown to PRONK.
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The United States broke the deal.
When did the United States have a deal with Iran? If you are referring to the so-called "agreement" that Obama made with Iran, which they never signed, there was no deal to break. Iran declined to agree with it.
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So far we really have nothing but their word, that they ever stopped.

Look, Iranian deal had lot's of other nation state signers besides the USA and even Iran wasn't one of them.

In term of Iran developing a nuclear capability,,; ie; the enrichment of Uranium, nothing has really changed except the enrichment of their finances.

BTW,,,; At least so far, no planeloads of cash have been flown to PRONK.
President Trump is correct that the Obama/Iran non treaty/non deal is the worst foreign policy deal ever. A pen and phone deal. Iran got billions and an agreement from Obama that the US would leave them alone for decades while they continued to develop nukes and delivery systems

The closest to the cash deal NoKo will get is President Trump will send a team to show them how to build beachfront condos.
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So far we really have nothing but their word, that they ever stopped.

Absolute BS.

The IAEA has the most extensive inspection program in place that's ever existed in history in Iran. The IAEA, under the agreement, has access to any place in Iran where any suspected violations could occur. The IAEA has certified compliance by Iran because the IAEA has the inspectors in place to verify compliance by Iran with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) has been working perfectly in removing highly enriched (20%) uranium and closing down those centrifuges that produce this enriched uranium.

Iran was actually in compliance because it was beneficial economically for Iran to comply with the agreement. The UN Security Council got what it wanted (a verifiable means to ensure the end to the possibility of Iran producing a nuclear weapon) and Iran got what it wanted (lifting of sanctions against Iran that released frozen Iranian assets and allowing Iran to access international markets).

That's how diplomacy works. It creates a win-win situation where both sides want to comply with the negotiated agreement.

Even most of the initial opponents to the PCPOA have since admitted that it's working in preventing Iran from being able to produce a nuclear weapons.
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The United States broke the deal.
Obama was not authorized to make the deal without the approval of Congress. No "deal" was broken.
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The IAEA, under the agreement, has access to any place in Iran where any suspected violations could occur.
Outright lie...

Iran says military sites are off-limits for nuclear inspections despite U.S. pressure

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Inspectors with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the United Nations organization tasked with monitoring Iran's nuclear facilities, have not requested access to military sites since the agreement went into effect, according to experts monitoring the process.

The IAEA, in its most recent report in June, said Iran was meeting its obligations under the pact. Experts say inspectors rely on intelligence reports and other information to determine whether sites they have not visited are being used for potentially illicit purposes.

Last week, Trump's ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, took the administration's concerns to IAEA Director General Yukiya Amano in Vienna. Haley said the inspectors' reports "can only be as good as the access Iran grants to any facility the IAEA suspects of having a nuclear role," according to a U.S. summary of the meeting.

...Iran has argued that inspections of military sites would violate national sovereignty, although the 2015 deal it signed with the United States and five other world powers allows inspectors to gain limited access to any site where illicit nuclear activity is suspected.

Last week, the Institute for Science and International Security, a group of leading scientists that has argued for stricter monitoring of the Iran deal, released a report calling on the United States and other parties to the nuclear deal to require the IAEA to request access to the Parchin facility. The group believes Iran might have used the facility to conduct tests to see how certain materials react under high pressure, conditions similar to a nuclear explosion.

Iran denied inspectors access to Parchin for years, then finally granted access in 2015 after undertaking extensive construction work at the site, according to satellite imagery studied by the IAEA. Before the nuclear deal was approved, the IAEA agreed to accept limited access to Parchin in the future and to allow Iranian personnel not the agency's own inspectors to collect environmental samples at the facility for testing.

"The lack of ongoing access to Parchin calls into question the adequacy of the verification of the [nuclear deal] and the deal's long-term utility to deter Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons," the report said.
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Absolute BS.

The IAEA has the most extensive inspection program in place that's ever existed in history in Iran. The IAEA, under the agreement, has access to any place in Iran where any suspected violations could occur. The IAEA has certified compliance by Iran because the IAEA has the inspectors in place to verify compliance by Iran with the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) has been working perfectly in removing highly enriched (20%) uranium and closing down those centrifuges that produce this enriched uranium.

Iran was actually in compliance because it was beneficial economically for Iran to comply with the agreement. The UN Security Council got what it wanted (a verifiable means to ensure the end to the possibility of Iran producing a nuclear weapon) and Iran got what it wanted (lifting of sanctions against Iran that released frozen Iranian assets and allowing Iran to access international markets).

That's how diplomacy works. It creates a win-win situation where both sides want to comply with the negotiated agreement.

Even most of the initial opponents to the PCPOA have since admitted that it's working in preventing Iran from being able to produce a nuclear weapons.
Another false claim.

The inspections are limited to a specific set of sites designated in the agreement. Want to look elsewhere? Evidence must be compiled then presented to the supreme council as a petition. The ayatollahs have 24 days to respond but the process can drag on for months allowing the Iranians plenty of time to hide the evidence. In addition the Iranians have a number of so-called military sensitive sites which they have exempted from inspections.

I am not familiar with every IAEA inspection regime as you must be to claim the Iranian inspections are the most extensive in history. Perhaps you could provide evidence to back this claim? The multiple gaping holes that allow the Iranians to easily evade detection reveals the gross inadequacy of the inspections, if it's the best ever then the IAEA operates on a very low bar.

Trump ran on abrogating the Iran agreements. Anything approaching a reasonable evaluation of the agreement shows he was right.
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